October After Dark: Spooky Season, Intuition & Everything in Between

SPEAKER_00 0:00

Hey everyone, on this week's episode of Whispers from the Mist, Conversations from the Spiritual Byway, today we are stepping into October and talking about darkness, fear, intuition, transitions, and expectations. Inspired by a conversation from our last episode about the difference between fear and intuition, we decided to take that topic and go a little bit deeper, especially as we move into a season that brings fear, darkness, and the unknown a little closer to the surface. And because it is October, we're also having a little fun with it, talking about why we enjoy being scared, why spooky season has such a pool, and what happens when anticipation, imagination, and intuition all start blurring together. So come along with us now as we take this conversation a little bit further down the spiritual byway.

SPEAKER_01 0:58

Hello, everybody, and welcome to this week's episode of Listers from the Mist Conversations from the Spiritual Byway. I am Stacy, and with me is the amazing and beautiful Michelle. Hi, Michelle. Hi, Stacy.

SPEAKER_00 1:14

You really know how to boost my confidence. That's because I love you. Like plow. I love you too. It's been a minute. I've been happy to see. I mean, we're forgetting how to record because we're talking about Rachel.

SPEAKER_01 1:26

We're just so excited to be here. And we're jumping into October, which makes it even kind of more exciting to be here.

SPEAKER_00 1:32

Yes. October is my favorite month of the year. I've always loved it. I hold great respect for it. And with it being here, I had to sit down and ask myself why that was. I always used to associate it with like it's the spooky month, but it's also a huge month of transition where we go from the summer and having no routine to getting back into the school year, getting back into a routine, that whole transformation. Not only are we transforming in our own routines, but the world, the universe is adjusting and transforming as it always is, but it's so noticeable.

SPEAKER_01 2:10

It is so noticeable in October. And, you know, for me, one of my favorite things about that transition that you were just kind of describing, not only is the transition of seasons, but it's also, you know, the time of year where you start pulling out your sweatpants and sweaters, and you kind of start wanting to be a little bit warmer, at least in in my location, because it cools down quite a lot here. And I know like today I'm in pants and a little bit of a sweatshirt, and it brings me more joy than it doesn't because it's, you know, cuddle time, it's settle-down time, and it does get dark earlier.

SPEAKER_00 2:48

Yes, it's time to get a little bit cozy. It's getting dark earlier. The trees are dropping their leaves. It's a time of transformation, transition, kind of like that tarot death card that you love so much. Something new's coming. We've got to shed the old in order to bring in the new. Absolutely.

SPEAKER_01 3:10

And that I think makes it even more exciting. You know, I think there's so much weariness too that comes with the transition that happens at this time of year. And I know for many, there's a lot of fear of the darkness too. And so when we talk about things getting dark earlier and getting out of work and it being almost pitch blackout and all of these things, it can it can bring a lot of different feelings up because we are stepping into what's called, you know, essentially the spooky season, right?

SPEAKER_00 3:43

Yes. And I'm not gonna lie, that's a big part of the reason I love October. So I do have a question for you before we get into that. When you think of October, how does that feel? It feels like campfire warmth to me. How is that for a description? I love that description, and I can completely bring that mental picture into focus, hearing you talk about it. For me, October, it just feels cozy. As you said, it's time to snuggle in and to kind of become a little more of a hermit, even though you don't have to. For me, that's what October feels like. It is the idea of going from a time of finding balance into transition and transformation into the mystery. Um, when I think about October, I think about all the smells, the apples, the pumpkins that of course came in in September, but they continue in October. And I think about as a child, so it's very nostalgic to me, how that was the time of year that we get to watch the Disney cartoons. We get to watch Donald Duck and his three nephews dressed in their costumes. And it was really spooky as a child, but like safe spooky. Yes. And Snoopy. Yeah, Snoopy. All those wonderful shows. I mean, Sleepy Hollow did freak me out a little bit, but we'll talk about that in a future episode. But it's just a time of hunkering down and just appreciating the season for it. Is that's what October feels like to me. And growing up too, I mean, I know we have every show, anything that we want to watch available 24-7. We just have to push the right button to get there. But as a teenager, that wasn't the case. But on a lot of TVs at that time of year, there would be we're visiting a haunted location or this is a haunted town, and they would tell the stories and I would just get lost in them. So that's what October means to me.

SPEAKER_01 5:45

I I fully agree with that, and I absolutely love that you do see this change almost on TV, even if you're not on like cable anymore, because we are in the time of streaming. You see more pumpkin things, you see more trick-or-treating, you see more of these wholesome like family things. I remember being a child and watching Disney Channel a lot, and you have these shows about Halloween. Halloween Town, when it came out, and I'm so aging myself right now, but when it came out, I was I was relatively young. And I remember there were moments of fear in that, and it's joyful to me.

SPEAKER_00 6:23

And I'm trying not to laugh too hard because you're like, oh, this is aging me. But when you mentioned Halloween Town, I'm like, gosh, I was like in my 20s probably when that came out. So that's really aging me if you're feeling aged by it.

SPEAKER_01 6:36

Well, I made the reference before we dived into the recording today of busting through things like the Kool-Aid Man. And it's so funny because I know I've said that reference in a room full of people who are 10 or 15 years younger than me, and they had no idea what I was talking about. So Halloween town, you were just in your 20s. You're not that much older than me. I was young. I was probably in middle school or high school, but that's only about 10 years.

SPEAKER_00 7:02

Okay. Well, we're closer to 15 years apart. So maybe I was in my 30s. I remember it coming out. I don't think I've ever sat down and watched the whole thing, though. But the wholesomeness, the wholesomeness of Disney, I think that's like when Freaky Friday would come out, the Disney show, they would always bring it out that time of year. So that's what I think of. But then I also think of those jump scare movies that were so popular in October where I really wanted to watch them. I really wanted to scare myself from the safety of my own home. However, the trauma from watching one, it just wasn't worth it in the long run. I'm talking Friday the 13th, Halloween, Freddy Krueger Nightmare on Elm Street, all of those jump scare are gonna get you.

SPEAKER_01 7:48

So it's it's funny that you're bringing those up. Last year, my husband and I were determined to watch all of the Halloweens in order. And when they came out, there was no fear. And it's it's so funny when you look at the technology that was used now versus then and the difference between how things are made now and and how things were made. You know, I think the first one came out in the early 80s.

SPEAKER_00 8:10

Yeah, maybe even in the late 70s, because I was young when that one came out. And I remember just being terrified by the idea of it. We would go to slumber parties and that would be the whole basis for going. We would scare ourselves altogether, but then we had friends there to help protect us. So yeah, those shows I'm not a fan of. And I will say one of the shows I was so terrified of as a child because we had HBO, it was a channel we subscribed to. I guess you still subscribe, but it was like one of three options, right? And they would always show the shining. And at the beginning of the shining, there is the elevator opening and the blood coming out of the elevator. That's the only part I ever saw. I was so scared. I never watched the movie. Yeah, terrified. And then last October, my son and his fiance, we all went up to the Stanley Hotel and did a shining tour. So I told him I have to watch the movie before I go to do the tour because I'm not gonna understand what they're talking about. So we all sat down to watch the movie and I'm like, huh, that was it.

SPEAKER_01 9:14

Sorry, I didn't mean to talk over you again, but I'm kind of cracking up because growing up, I I remember my parents would watch The Shining almost every year. And somehow, someway, every time I walked through the living room where they were, it was always that scene that you're talking about, the elevator scene with the two girls and all the blood rushing out. So I was terrified of The Shining for so many years. And I honestly can't say if I've actually seen the full movie in one sitting. And it's not because I'm afraid, it's just because I haven't had the desire to go back and rewatch it. I know I've seen a ton of bits and pieces to put the movie together, but never all in one sitting.

SPEAKER_00 9:54

That makes sense. And I'll say that watching it, I honestly was a little confused by it. And I don't know if there was a lot lost between the book and the translation of a movie, but yeah, I I it kind of didn't make sense to me in a lot of places. But I do know that they did a remake several years later, which was like a series, and I heard that much scarier, but I don't think I need to revisit that.

SPEAKER_01 10:19

I didn't know that they remade it. That's interesting.

SPEAKER_00 10:21

Yeah. So I do have a question for you. Do you actually like being scared, or do you just like the buildup and the idea of being scared?

SPEAKER_01 10:30

You know, I'm gonna be honest, being scared doesn't really bother me anymore because it's to me that fear is an opportunity to open up to just being open. So being scared is is not a thing that worries me as much as it used to be. I do enjoy jump scares. Like I like going to haunted houses. That and when I say haunted houses, I don't mean haunted houses that Michelle goes and tours. I mean like jump scare haunted houses.

SPEAKER_00 10:56

Um, where people around one corner, there's a zombie in the next. Yeah. There's the Texas Chainsaw Massacre guy. Yeah, no, I would not go into those. I don't think intuitively, I don't think for my own mental well-being, that would be a good idea to bring me into that space. However, I go into true haunted houses, ones that do have history. So I don't know if that makes sense. It doesn't really make sense to me.

SPEAKER_01 11:25

I I think a lot of that is the difference between a jump scare, though, and a historical curiosity. Does that make sense? Like when you walk into a haunted location that is truly haunted, there's history there. So there's curiosity and there's not necessarily this worry about somebody jumping around the corner and going and screaming at you or chasing you with a chainsaw. Whereas your haunted houses that are now so modernized, their intention is that jump scare or to get your heart rate up and your adrenaline pumping. So I think it's just the difference between the two.

SPEAKER_00 12:02

Yeah, I'm trying to mentally put myself back into the place at the Warren's house down in the basement and how we were feeling. And I'm experiencing it right now, just sitting there, and I can just feel it rising slowly to reach that crescendo. But jump scare, like it's constant. Your nervous system can never relax because you're on edge. Like going into that basement, I felt uncomfortable, but I wasn't like on edge. I had heard stories of what could happen down there. I think that's why I was a little nervous of the possibility of what could happen, but it was more of like reaching that point slowly rather than wow right there.

SPEAKER_01 12:42

Yes, right, right, right. No, I I think that everything you said though makes sense because when you're in the Warren House, there's that buildup of fear too, I'm sure, because you don't know if you're going to hear something, you don't know if it something's gonna come up. But there's also this genuine curiosity, right?

SPEAKER_00 12:57

Exactly. And you have to follow the curiosity. And as we said in that episode, we knew the point where we needed to stop for our own safety, for our own mental, physical, spiritual well-being. We knew that was a place to exit at a haunted house where people are jumping at you. You might not have an exit available.

SPEAKER_01 13:16

Typically, on the bright side of those haunted houses that are man-made, if you signal to one of the scarers, they actually are really good about getting you to the closest exit. I have been in a haunted house with a friend of mine who reached her, I need to be done for it, I need to get out of this now, full panic attack mode, et cetera. And even though they are there to scare you, if you grab one of the characters and say, I need to get out, I can't do this, they will immediately step out of scare mode into humanity and get you to the nearest exit. So I I do think that there is that the line of safety in going to haunted houses, like you don't have to go over the edge. It's interesting because I don't feel like there is necessarily that escape always when you're in a haunted location, because sometimes you kind of go past the point of no return at times, right? Where you are so open to experiences that you don't realize how much fear you actually have in the background either.

SPEAKER_00 14:20

And I appreciate you saying that because that is one of the lessons the Warren House has taught me. I actually do have fears and reaching the point that night where I was just as afraid to go outside as I was to be inside, and I could not wait for the sun to rise. So it taught me that I still did have fear. I do think that nighttime contributes a lot to the spookiness of something. I would say there's a mental component of that, but I would also say that emotionally and spiritually, we're decompressing usually in the dark and things get a little bit quieter around us. There's not as much traffic, not as much chatter. And so you're sitting with your own mind, you're having your own thoughts. So I really do think the darkness contributes to fear or that overall experience that you're having.

SPEAKER_01 15:15

Do you think that we add to that because of that kind of belief system that we've created? Do you think that we kind of set up the opportunity for more activity because we quiet down at night? Or do you think it's just happenstance?

SPEAKER_00 15:32

I kind of think it's just happenstance. I didn't really have any expectations going into the Warren House. And when I went in there, I did expect it to be heavier, but surprisingly, the top floor, as we said, was a lot lighter. So it's just circumstantial. It is just circumstantial because I can go into a situation and I can feel fear working me up. But I think fear and reality or intuition can feed off of each other, but they're definitely separate.

SPEAKER_01 16:03

I think one of the reasons that I asked the question is because like that 3 a.m. time, 0300, is also known as kind of the devil's hour, so to speak. And I and I'm and I'm saying that from just growing up and and being so fearful when I was a child of the dark. And if I woke up and it was 3:33, I was terrified. So I was just kind of curious if it's scientifically the reason that people end up passing away during those times is because in your sleep cycle, they are so deeply asleep that when they transition to no longer being living, they're in such a deep sleep that it's a very gentle passing. So just an interesting little addition there.

SPEAKER_00 16:46

That is interesting. And I hope that's how I pass when my time comes just to fall asleep and sleep myself into what happens next. But I really think our nervous system plays such a huge role in it and what we hold on to in our energetic body. I mean, think of our reactions when we get scared or frightened. We scream or we laugh. Why do you think we laugh when we get scared?

SPEAKER_01 17:11

I think it's the same reason that we laugh at funerals because we're not sure what to do with all of our pent-up emotions. I find, at least from my own personal experience, I tend to laugh at really inappropriate times. And it's not that I find something funny, it's that I don't know what else to do. I laughed at my aunt's funeral, actually. I was about 17, and it was the first funeral that I ever attended. If you want a little aside story, I remember watching um my uncle leaning over the coffin with my with my cousin to give her a kiss on the forehead as everybody walked up and said their goodbyes, and the entire coffin moved. And I burst out laughing because my brain went to her falling out of the coffin and how mortifying that would be. And I just didn't know what else to do. And I had such a mixed range of emotion that I think when we have that kind of confusion of how to get rid of the additional energy that it comes out as laughing.

SPEAKER_00 18:07

That makes sense. I I agree with that. Just you're uncomfortable, you don't know what to do with that. And I've been known, and I'm horrified to say this, to laugh at a funeral just because I'm uncomfortable, to laugh during a wedding because I get so emotional that I don't want people to see me cry. So it's a way to kind of mess at least that what I'm truly feeling. Um, since this is a spiritual podcast, I am gonna ask, how do you personally tell the difference between fear and intuition?

SPEAKER_01 18:40

That is a fantastic question. And I know for me it's how it comes through. So if it's intuition, I usually don't experience fear with it. Usually it's like a straight message. We talk often about protection and and all of that other stuff. And I will say that, you know, my house is heavily protected and I don't allow spirits in my bedroom. But there have been times in the past where I have had incredibly strong messages coming through in the middle of the night, but that information comes through, you know, in my dreams or in other ways to get my attention that's not fearful. I mean, it might be a nightmare, but when we wake from a nightmare, we're able to kind of process through it. Does that make sense?

SPEAKER_00 19:23

It does. And I'll just piggyback off that. When I think of fear and how it presents itself to me, it is a lower vibrational energy. And it's one that catches me up in almost a loop of anxiety and trepidation and all of those things. And it's one where I can't come to center, I can't get it to stop. I know that sphere. I know that's anxiety, whereas intuition, it comes through and it gives me a moment to breathe. I just feel like when a message comes through, even if it's dealing with a more difficult situation that I'm gonna have trouble dealing with, it gives a minute of pause. It's like the message comes through, sit with it, let it settle instead of just jumping into that next thought or that next worry or that next fear. Do you find a difference between daytime and nighttime when you're experiencing those? Oh, yeah, nighttime's worse. Nighttime's always much worse when the world around me quiets down, when my animal is asleep, when my husband is asleep. I feel like the whole world is asleep and I'm the only one awake right now having these thoughts. And I'm an overthinker, I'm an overreactor. So it takes me a long time to process through things and yeah, it takes hold at night sometimes.

SPEAKER_01 20:41

Oh, I'm sure. And and I will fully own that when it comes to fear and anxiety and things along those lines, those experiences being so different that I am one to agree with you wholeheartedly. If I wake up in the middle of the night and I'm having anxiety or fear or worry, that does take me a much longer time to calm down. Whereas intuition, I can wake from said nightmare, wake from said dream and make sense out of it. And if you'd like, I can actually share an example of this.

SPEAKER_00 21:11

I would love you to.

SPEAKER_01 21:12

So nightmares, talking about nightmares, talking about dreams. Very recently I had a very vivid nightmare dream about lightning storms striking down trees all around me and getting into shelter, finding shelter through this lightning storm. And as the storm calmed, I knew my person, my husband, was going to be there to get me out of the environment that I was in. Because I found safety in a school in the dream. And, you know, that's neither here nor there. But it was a very strong, intuitive message when I woke up and really thought about it because it stuck with me so strongly that things are very charged in my life right now. There's a lot happening, there's a lot of movement. And, you know, I know the message from my my guide was you're Working through it, you're gonna be okay. You're gonna find shelter in the storm and you have safety in the end. And so being able to know that you're essentially in the middle of a tower moment in your life, ton of change, a ton of movement, and you have that safety on the other side. And it's interesting as I share this with you, Michelle. I'm I'm getting tarot cards kind of being thrown down at me. And the first one that just really popped was the tower.

SPEAKER_00 22:25

And I was gonna ask you about that, actually.

SPEAKER_01 22:28

Yeah, the second one that just popped was the Empress, that trusting that forward movement card, and you know, stepping into this with this particular dream, you know, waking up from this and having it sit so strongly. It's really interesting to share it this way because I'm seeing different tarot cards really popping. The tower, the empress, and I've got the death card keeps flashing in my mind's eye right now, too, about that transitional tide and about that forward movement in life, right? Definitely.

SPEAKER_00 22:56

I feel like I just went way off of our topic. No, you didn't. You actually kind of stepped into the next question that I had, which was can fear sometimes imitate intuition, or can it come in as fear and then an intuitive message come out of it? I think the latter is true.

SPEAKER_01 23:12

I think we can step into fear, but have it turn out to be a very strong intuitive message for us.

SPEAKER_00 23:20

And I think you're right. I believe that fear gets our attention, and then what happens afterwards can be very helpful if you can get to that moment of clarity and just to sit with it and you know, bring yourself into the present moment, tell yourself you're safe, then I think everything else can flow from that. Absolutely. I love that. Do you think knowing that a place is supposed to be haunted would influence the experience that you had there? I want you to answer that one first. Well, I think I kind of already did answer it, but I'm just going off my most recent experience. So I keep bringing up the Warren House. But when I went in there, I expected only heavy energy. And on that top floor, we ran into Lorraine, we ran into Ed. They were so welcoming. They threw words of affirmation at us. I did not expect that. I have been at other haunted locations and I always come out with a different message. So I really think I was pretty open. I didn't understand we were gonna get as much as we got. I didn't expect that. And I didn't expect to walk away from the house feeling like there was more to Ed and Lorraine Warren. Yes, everything was Hollywood eyes, but I heard the thumps, I heard the screams, I heard the anguish. So I I know it's there. So looking at the initial question, I don't think it influenced it for me. I think I just was open to the experience. I probably would have been disappointed if I'd gone in there and there was nothing because I expected something. I just didn't expect as much.

SPEAKER_01 24:55

Well, I I think too, there's this big piece of human in there as well. I think if we walk into a haunted location and we have this expectation that we're gonna have so many experiences, it can ruin it for us uh in in that alone. Because if we walk in with the expectation that we're going to be able to record full-body apparitions or get a ton of voice recordings or EVPs or, you know, all of these things that we're going in looking for, I think the expectation can ruin the actual experience itself. So while I think there's a small part of it that if you're going into a haunted location that's been deemed haunted by multiple people who've had multiple experiences, going in with expectations kind of can destroy the experience alone. Whereas if you're walking in with no expectations but open to all experiences, you're more apt to, even if you walk away with nothing, at least be in the moment and see more than you would have seen before. Does that make sense?

SPEAKER_00 25:58

It does. And I love that you brought the focus on expectations because I do think that is a severe block to our own personal intuition. And that's one of the things I always try to tell myself is you've got to release the expectation around it because expectations keep you small. They don't allow you to expand into something and they can lead to lower vibrational feelings. So I love that so much. She brought up expectations.

SPEAKER_01 26:27

Well, I I truly think that when we're stepping into experiences, just like we we step into new seasons, just like we step into big changes in life, that we tend to overset expectations that we can't actually keep either. So, you know, talking about darkness, which is the the kind of transitional time that we're in and that change in seasons, if we're setting expectations that by the end of this season our world is going to be completely and totally shifted, or that we're going to be a butterfly bursting out of the chrysalis, we might be putting too much pressure on ourselves. So, how do we step into a transitional time in our lives like October really is, and allow ourselves to just be in the experience in the moment?

SPEAKER_00 27:17

That you said that perfectly. I'm so proud of you. A plus today, Stacey. Well, I do have one more question. And here it is. If you enter a dark room and you suddenly feel afraid, how do you decide whether that feeling belongs to you, the environment, your imagination, or something else completely?

SPEAKER_01 27:37

Well, if I step into a dark room and immediately feel afraid, I'm gonna turn on the light first. Is there something here? No. I would immediately step into that fear and probably assume that it's actually my imagination first and then explore it second. Does that make sense?

SPEAKER_00 28:01

It does. And I think that's what I would do also. I'd first turn on the light, like you said, or turn on the TV to give some noise into the room and then take a moment to sit with it. Yeah, I would blame myself first. Like, why you're just have an overactive imagination before really figuring out what it was. But there are some spaces you do walk into and there is just a dark, heavy vibe there. And that feels different to me. That feels almost like it's rushing up upon me or takes my breath away a little bit.

SPEAKER_01 28:35

And and to me, that's almost like walking into a room where somebody's been in a fight or argument or tension. You know, you are walking through a really heavy, thick energy when you're stepping into that. So I guess it would also depend on the space I'm in. Am I stepping into fear in my living room? Is it my house? Is it my space? Is it something that I already am comfortable in and know? And if I'm stepping into fear in my space, I would want to explore that a little bit more. Whereas if I'm out and about and I step into, let's say, an older museum, I'm in a room by myself and I'm experiencing fear. Is it the room itself that is causing that heavy energy? Or I think there's a lot to explore there. Sorry.

SPEAKER_00 29:19

No, there is a lot to explore as you're talking about that. I'm thinking of a hotel I stayed out recently, and it was an older hotel, like old, old. And they had this elevator where you had to open the door and then that well, the elevator came down, and then you open the door and it was creaky, and then you go up to the room, and it was just old. Well, immediately what popped into my mind is it haunted. And I thought maybe I should explore that, but I felt safe there. So just because a building is older doesn't mean it has a haunted history. Right. Right.

SPEAKER_01 29:50

And even if it does have a haunted history to it, you can step into a space and feel welcomed and safe, and you don't need to know more. If I step into a space and I'm comfortable, even if it's older, I don't feel the need to learn more. I feel like, okay, this is a neutral zone. I'm good. Like I feel safe. I don't need to know more.

SPEAKER_00 30:11

And I'm just trying to go back to that moment because I'm an empath and I can feel, even if it was in the past, you know, that initial fear coming through, oh, this place might be haunted. And then hearing myself say, just because it's old doesn't mean it's haunted. And then just feeling safe there, like not needing to explore it anymore. So kind of settling in. If at night I wanted to explore more, I could have tapped into the energy to see if there was anything there, but it wasn't presenting itself. So I just trusted myself in that situation, put up my intentions.

SPEAKER_01 30:43

And that makes a lot of sense because I I do think that there is the opportunity to step away from intuitive ability and just enjoy the humanity of a situation as well.

SPEAKER_00 30:53

I mean, that is why we're here. We're spirits having a human experience. A hundred percent. So I just love that we are now stepping into October or into fall. This is really a time of releasing everything we've been holding on to, letting go of anything that no longer serves our greatest and highest good. So then we can move into winter, which really is associated with rest, and then into spring, which is emergence again, and then summer, where we can continue to expand. And then go through it again. Yes. Yes. But where this podcast is concerned, we're gonna treat October as a spooky month. And next week we are going to have a discussion on dun dun dun. What, Stacey? Vampires. Vampires.

SPEAKER_01 31:38

Yeah, we're gonna dive in a little bit to the history and and maybe some of our gen generic beliefs that we used to know.

SPEAKER_00 31:45

Yeah, that Hollywood taught us or books taught us or fear taught us. I mean, all three of those are true. And then after that, we're going to do a little deep dive into Sleepy Hollow and then Werewolves and the Moon Cycles. And then as a special treat, because there are five Thursdays in the month of October, we're going to release a meditation right before Halloween that kind of celebrates this time of year. So there you have. I can't wait either. And I'm so happy again to see you. I'm happy to see you too. Oh, let me see if I have listener questions.

SPEAKER_01 32:21

I was just about to say, do you have listener questions today? Because I would be surprised if you didn't.

SPEAKER_00 32:25

Okay, here are your listener questions. How can you tell the difference between intuition warning you about something and fear convincing you that something is wrong? Number two, why do you think we sometimes enjoy being scared when we know we're actually safe through ghost stories, haunted houses, horror movies, or paranormal experiences? And number three, can fear make us more likely to interpret ordinary things as paranormal? And if so, how do we stay open-minded without letting fear take over?

SPEAKER_01 32:56

Those are really good questions.

SPEAKER_00 32:59

So that's Daisy. Would you like to close out this episode? Absolutely stay curious. Let's let you know. And we will meet you. We're here for you, and we're all in this together.