We Visited a Scam Psychic So You Don't Have To

SPEAKER_03 0:00

Hey guys, welcome to another podcast from Three Cups and a Dash of Spirituality. Today we're going to talk about how to handle and cope when you come across a fraud psychic. And what's it like when to feel rejected or people want to talk behind your back when you're being honest about your psychic abilities? Okay, play the music. Hey guys, welcome to another episode of Three Cups and a Dash of Spirituality. I'm here with the lovely Michelle and amazing Stacy. How are y'all?

SPEAKER_01 0:46

We're all on video. So Michelle and I are looking at each other, going, who's gonna talk first? Hi, hi Chris.

SPEAKER_00 0:53

Well, Chris, I think we need to start referring to Stacy as Mrs. Curtis now because she is not even three days or four days off of having just been married. And here she is with us and the listeners. So congratulations, Stacy. Thank you. Thank you. Thank you. Yeah, you got a glow about you. I know this one isn't gonna be at least as far as video, but I wish people could see you because you're smiling and ear to ear. Yeah. It was a great day. So thank you. Yeah, thank you for being here today. I've been thinking a lot about a connective experience that we all had not too long ago. And I think that's a great place to start the episode because then we're gonna be moving into some other things. I think the story sticks out to me so much because I love when the universe reminds us that we're supposed to be working together, that this friendship is valid. It was written in the stars, it was meant to be. And if you remember, probably, gosh, it might have been a year ago now. Oh my gosh, a year ago when we had that connection with our grandpa's where we each found pennies. And this kind of happened this time with our grandmas. Again, everyone has just said how difficult or how life-changing the past couple months have been. I fell into that boat too. And so I really kind of did have to go inward and kind of block out the noise, which means kind of blocking out the spiritual stuff. But one morning I went and I was on a walk. And as I'm walking, I see the most beautiful red bird. And it's just up in the tree. And I had said before I got to the park, if I see a red bird, I know my grandma's with me. And so when I saw it, I'm like, no way. And it actually looked kind of like it was glowing. I know that sounds crazy, but it did. And so I got out my camera and I'm trying to take a picture, but it was just far enough that the picture was really blurry. And I'm like, well, I'll give it my best shot, but it'd be sure nice if that bird came a little closer. And I am not kidding you. That bird flew to a limb, it paused and posed for a picture, and then it flew off. And I immediately got on the phone and I'm like, you guys, I just had this amazing experience. I connected with my grandma. And then Carissa shared a story in which it was with a bracelet, right, Carissa?

SPEAKER_03 3:10

Necklace. I lost it. I could not find my grandmother's necklace, her name's Louise, and I couldn't find it. And then I opened my drawer where all my face products are, and it's right in there. Like it really should not, it can't. There's no way it could have been in any of those drawers.

SPEAKER_00 3:27

Right. Moving, floating things, or what do we say? They they're trickster and they like put them in other places.

SPEAKER_03 3:33

Cloaking and they'll move and they cloak things. Cloak. Yeah.

SPEAKER_00 3:36

Cloaking, that's what the word was. So that happened, and we were kind of talking about that. And I'm thinking to myself, surely I know something is gonna come in for Stacy. And then we were talking because this was right before we went to New Orleans. And I said, Oh, we're going to Nola soon. And Stacy, she's like, Oh, that's my grandma's name. And that's where the connection came in there too. So I just thought that was kind of a beautiful moment shared between friends. It's being open to the universe, it's being being willing to see those signs and then having someone to share them with. So I wanted to share that story with all of you.

SPEAKER_01 4:09

How cool is it though that we all three kind of had those experiences, like within a almost was it a day or two of each other?

SPEAKER_00 4:18

It was within hours. It was within hours. So that was really cool. So I thought that would be a good way to start this episode because now we're gonna shift and we're gonna talk about something that happened during a recent trip. And as a psychic, psychic medium, we should be used to this. We should know when something's going on. But we were human, we're we were human in that moment. Uh, Chris and I were absolutely there for the experience, and it just kind of was an experience that left us both feeling not so good.

SPEAKER_03 4:53

Yeah, and it's been a pretty good while since it happened. So we wanted to really get out of that nastiness before we talked about it. And so now we're feeling good and grateful in November and happy and ready to talk about it. But there were signs when I we first met this like we love seeing psychics because really they're you know colleagues. We love like, what are they gonna give me that I can't pick up? I mean, come on, we have our our own limitations and blocks.

SPEAKER_01 5:21

Well, and we also, as you know, readers for ourselves, we tend to um cherry pick what we want to see and hear sometimes. Like I'll fully admit that, you know. I I'll do readings and be like, I like that card and it means this for me. And you know, it's it's just because I'm biased in my own life, right? I I do want to before you continue the story, when you go to readers that you've never been read prior, do you let them know you're a psychic medium?

SPEAKER_03 5:50

Uh no. No. No. I you know why? I feel like they should probably already see it in my eyes. Not like I'm psychic, but that I'm I'm pretty good at using my intuition, I would say.

SPEAKER_00 6:05

So no. And it just depends on the the psychic or the medium. I like Carissa, I think they're gonna pick it up real quickly anyway. And so typically I don't say anything, but you know, I feel a little bit bad not saying something too. So sometimes I might say, just like you said, I'm here for a reading, I do read myself, but you know, I'm me. So I want to hear someone else's perspective. So it all depends on what my gut tells me to do.

SPEAKER_01 6:35

I know you're gonna say that. It all depends. So sometimes I'll be perfectly honest and be like, I'm a reader. Sometimes I'm like, I'll sit down and I'll be like, what you got for me? You know, so it just it really depends.

SPEAKER_00 6:48

Do you think it intimidates readers when they know they're reading for another reader? Or how do you feel when you're reading for like one of us or someone you don't know?

SPEAKER_01 6:56

I mean, I I have no issue reading for other readers because I know I read completely differently than they do, so it doesn't intimidate me. I think does she intimidate? Do you think it intimidates other people knowing if we it could it could, and that might be why I just kind of go with my gut. Maybe it would intimidate them, and then they wouldn't be able to read me. I would get intimidated.

SPEAKER_02 7:17

You're an amazing reader. I don't know what you're talking about. She's the unconscious psychic or something, like the oh, you call yourself the clueless psychic. Yeah, clueless, yeah, yeah.

SPEAKER_00 7:28

So, well, anyhow, you know, we were having these experiences again, going to different types of readings, and we're open to that. We want to experience things that we haven't before. I know Chris has done to gone to shamism retreats and things like that. And so we had an opportunity to attend a seance, and that is something that scares me. So, to agree to do this was actually pushing my comfort zone a lot.

SPEAKER_03 7:58

And yeah, I was like, let's do this. This is gonna be awesome and cool. Because I mean, I've never been in a seance. Like, what are you gonna do? Is the table gonna rock?

SPEAKER_00 8:07

Because exactly, that's what we've seen on TV, or they the spirits start speaking through them. That's what I was looking for. I didn't want to see them spew anything because I've heard some seances they do that. I was open to it, but I was really nervous. Spewing things like throwing up, yeah. Like right out, like did they call it Echoplasma? Like people, it's recorded.

SPEAKER_01 8:36

Yeah, that's disgusting. I'm good with that too.

SPEAKER_00 8:39

Exactly. Yeah. So again, open to the experience, didn't know what to expect. But then I started to get, as it got closer, I started to get a little bit more nervous. And one of the things that really freaked me out is the physical location because we were not given the exact address. We were given a meeting point, and they were going to walk us to where this place was, which I, you know, I've watched a lot of horror movies. That doesn't sound very good to me. So I was immediately nervous. So I took a screenshot of where we were and I sent it to Eva and said, if you don't hear from us, like this is our last known location. Oh shit. I didn't want to know that part. Yeah, yeah, I did.

SPEAKER_01 9:28

I mean, honestly, that is really that that would creep me out too. Yes.

SPEAKER_00 9:32

And then we got to that space, and this individual locked the door. So were they locking the door to keep us in or to keep others out? So physically, my body's already on alert.

SPEAKER_01 9:47

Yeah, you're completely on edge of this.

SPEAKER_00 9:49

Yeah, that's I'm completely on edge, and again, don't know what to expect. So I sit down at a table, and this person sat and shared their story, and it was very animated. Oh, it was like a theater production.

SPEAKER_03 10:05

It was all about like how great I am. How great I am, how yeah, this is my story, and it unfolded for me. And you know, it wasn't me out, I'm cool. Yeah, it wasn't always psychic, and then something happened, then of course, and then blah, I am, and blah, and blah.

SPEAKER_01 10:25

Is that what they say too? They say they say it just like that, and blah.

SPEAKER_00 10:30

But it was theatrical, and yeah, you know, well, this person was here serving out their karma because this person did state that they really did believe that heaven was the place we went and that hell was life on earth. So we're all here serving karmic debt. Is something like that? So did they say that? Oh yeah, oh yeah. So then it's time to start. And she's like, which one of you want to go first? And Chris is like, Michelle does. And so I'm like, okay, I'm ready for this. This person pulls out cards, shuffles them, moves them all around, and then just starts pulling them. And they are saying, Oh, you got a lot going on here. I I I don't even know like where to start, but we're gonna unravel this. We're gonna figure this out. And it was this whole karma story that I'm back on earth and all my ways I'm waiting for the seance.

SPEAKER_03 11:24

Yeah, it is literally just tarot cards. Yeah, yes, Stacey, yes, Stacey gave a what the hell look, yes.

SPEAKER_01 11:33

Okay, I'm actually glad you said that because I was like, why are we in a reading now and not No, that's what it was.

SPEAKER_00 11:40

But then here's where the spirits and everything channeling come in. It becomes your loved ones are here, your spirit guides are here, but this one person is so loud, I've got to bring this person in because this is what the story's all about. So I didn't get any information about my life, I didn't get any information from loved ones that I knew on the other side, nothing at all. Zero. But this person had this down well because then it became a performance. I I don't need like it's like she did what? And she doesn't know this, and you and you and you and you did this, and what what what and like she had this whole performance down, and it was long, it was like 45 minutes, and Chrissa finally said, Do I get a turn?

SPEAKER_01 12:30

But I I don't I don't know if you can read it on my face, but I'm sitting here like what the actual buck I know that's what it was like.

SPEAKER_03 12:37

It's yeah, it's it was bad.

SPEAKER_00 12:41

And she shared this story about me in a previous life because everything went back to a previous life, who I was and the bad thing I did to get me here on the planet, and who was helping me serve my karma debt. And I felt sick to my stomach afterwards.

SPEAKER_01 12:59

Well, of course you did, and it's the beautiful thing about tying it to a past life is we forget them when we move into current life and stuff like that. So it's easier to say, oh, I have to believe you because I can't see it.

SPEAKER_03 13:15

I want to fast forward to the ending, and then and then this person said, You killed your daughter in your past life because she had a mental disorder or a physical like a handicap in order. I don't remember, I don't know, but to keep it. I don't know.

SPEAKER_00 13:33

She said I did a really horrendous thing.

SPEAKER_03 13:35

But anyway, you killed your daughter, and then with mine, she's this person's they said that I was a doctor. I was the I was a doctor, and this then I would the woman who was helping deliver the baby had had an affair with my sister's husband, and this baby was my was technically my niece, which she didn't say. I'm just now putting it together. And so I killed the baby, and I said, Wow, we're just a bunch of baby killers, Michelle. And I said that like I said, damn. I said, mm-mm mm mm. I said, well, shoot, like talking about my past life person, she's telling me. Let's go, mm-mm mm. I said, man, she's a she is a horrible person, a baby killer. What a horrible person. She started getting pissed off, and then she wanted this person wanted to change the story, and this person would get kind of mad.

SPEAKER_01 14:38

Yeah, because you are obviously mocking them. Well, obviously, you're telling Barbara killers.

SPEAKER_00 14:47

She picked up up on nothing, on the fact that either of us were intuitive, psychic, mediums, ourselves, none of that. And physically, again, I felt unsafe. Mentally, I'm now dealing with the shit she just told me because I'm like, that's not who I am. And like, this is the most horrible thing you could say. You're making me sick because this is the reason people don't go to psychics and mediums. And then spiritually, I'm just like, why guides? Like, why'd I have to experience this? Or like you just needed to know that there are people out there like that. But what I want to share about this, and the really important thing to remember is Carissa and I, we've done a lot of training. We went to this being aware, knowing our own guides, knowing our connection. So leaving, we knew that it wasn't real. But just think about all those people that go there, they're told these horrible things, and then they have to learn to deal with it.

SPEAKER_01 15:41

That's well, and that's and and that's exactly, I think, the the part that makes me so angry is like you guys were able to cope. But even with being able to cope, it still affects you. I mean, getting told these things, even as a psychic medium, even as any of those things, it's you walk away from that experience almost wondering did is it did did this happen? And even though you have good connections with your guides, you still have that, oh, should I be concerned? Like, do I like do do I need to look into this further?

SPEAKER_03 16:16

And as you all were talking, my guides were showing me the microphone. Like, this was exactly why it was supposed to happen. And this is exactly why it was supposed to negatively affect us so we can convey that emotion on the podcast for when other people you should not walk out of the reading feeling like crap.

SPEAKER_00 16:36

And how did you cope with it, Chrissa, afterwards? Because we basically got in the Uber, went back to where we were staying, and we were like done. Like we didn't even sit and have a drink. We just were like, we're going our separate directions. I know myself, I walked around my room and fidgeted and was like, guys, why are you doing this? Like, this is where it was gonna come out. Yeah, it just really did unsettle me.

SPEAKER_03 17:00

So, you know, the part for me that bothered me is that, you know, I just sat there the whole time. It's like, well, and you know, I made excuses. Well, I paid for it. Well, there might be a dribble of something, which this person did get to give a couple drip because every human being can give you a dribble of psychic something of something, and you know, a part of me was like, Why can't I just be the rude, you know, rude person and say, you know what, you're you're fucking bullshit. This is bullshit.

SPEAKER_00 17:29

I was waiting. I was waiting for you to say that so we could get up and exit stage left. I was waiting for seasons.

SPEAKER_03 17:35

You know, and then so then I sat there, and you don't you have got to be really careful who you piss off.

SPEAKER_00 17:44

Right. I mean, it's taken us quite a while to even share this story because while we were there, the experience was not good. Who's to say she doesn't have connections somewhere else? And I don't really want to mess with it, but yeah, that's a story that needs to be shared because it messed with us.

SPEAKER_01 18:02

Well, I think it kind of brings also another point that I wanted to throw out is when you start to get an inkling with a psychic medium or an intuitive or you know, whatever you want to call us, that they're not an accurate reader, or if they're, you know, I'll throw the word fraud out there. What do you recommend people do?

SPEAKER_03 18:25

Well, one, never go back because they are create their own story of why why they're doing it and why I'm so important when the reality is it's all bullshit.

SPEAKER_01 18:36

So don't mess with someone who's that disillusionable, just move on with your life, you know, cut cut your losses and walk away. What are your losses? Yeah.

SPEAKER_00 18:43

What do you think, Michelle? Do you agree with that? I think people are gonna, if you meet with someone who is a fraud, I I hate to say that, but I know they're out there, and that was the lesson. You know, it's gonna go through your energy system. So just give yourself grace and allow yourself to feel the feels about it in that time and space. I think Chris is right. If you know it's not disturbing you too much, you're on a time limit, like just sit through it and leave. There's always what is it, yelp? You can go in and leave at least yelp, I guess. I I don't know. I I was really unconscious. I've never experienced that before. And again, I was looking at Carissa extricate us, but she was doing what she should and just okay, let's get through this.

SPEAKER_01 19:29

Yeah, I mean, I did walk a little bit. You did push a little bit, but which I mean that's only natural. Yeah. I mean, I know, I know for for me, and it's interesting because I think we had talked about this before. When you guys went through that experience, I had actually gone to a fair, you know, over the summer, and I saw what I I you know, I'll fully admit when I go to fairs and I see psychics there, I'm like, I want a reading. I always am like, I kind of want to get a reading. So over the summer, right around the time where you guys experienced this, I actually got a reading from a random person at a fair, local to relatively local to where where I am. And I my tells are almost immediate when I when someone is an actual psychic or intuitive. I get covered in goosebumps because they're reading, they're they're actually connecting into like my energy body and my guides, and I can feel it. We were we were actually engaged at the time and we're sitting with this this person, and I wanted a um palm reading because that's what she offered. So I paid for a palm reading and I sat down. She did not look at my palm once. And so she was like in immediately, I knew she was just reading me and like trying to just pull and extricate information from me. And uh Steve is sitting next to me because he's listening to all of this, and I was like, tell me about my relationship. And she's you know, like my my right hand is up, and so she didn't see the engagement ring, she didn't see anything like that. And I think at one point in time she told me that the relationship most likely would not work. And I was like, Okay, I was like, all right. And so you could like you could tell that she was just like trying to extricate that information, and obviously that experience is much different than what you guys experienced walking into a seance and getting a reading instead, which is a whole nother level of you know, bullshittery. But whenever you're sitting in front of somebody and it's obvious that they're just trying to read you, I just I kind of sat there and we walked out and Steve I'm irritated. I I was just like I was there for the ride at that point in time, same as you. I was like, Oh, really tell me more. Who is this person that I'm going to be meeting in two months? You know, like I was like, this is the but you're gonna meet them in two months, but it's not gonna work out. And the thing is, is Steve's sitting next to me. I know, I'm in Madden. I'm seeing it all in my mind's eye play. So we walked out and he looks over at me and he was like, there was nobody present. He's like, there were no spirits, there was no like, there was no feelings, there was no nothing. And I was like, no, because she was doing her best to read me and tell me what she thought I wanted to hear. And he was, and he just was like, That's not cool. And I was like, it's not, but it is like again, that's where you go cut my losses and walk away. And no, I never told her that I was a psychic medium because she because then she would have known that I knew she was full of shit at that point in time.

SPEAKER_03 22:34

Oh, I was told well, one time to go see this psychic, and because this person was like, Oh my gosh, she's so great. And I was like, Yeah, cool, I'll go see her. And I she ended up having a personality disorder because I said when she first saw me, she pulled back because that pull back, it's like, oh shit, she's gonna see through my bullshit. And when I was like, Oh yeah, I'm a psychic meeting, and she goes, No, you're not. And it did, you know, it didn't even trigger me because I already know, you know, there's no doubt. And I'm just I just sat there calmly and I'm like, oh fuck, now I gotta put my therapist hat on. So I put my therapist hat on to hold space for her while she spirals.

SPEAKER_00 23:20

Yeah, and in that moment you stepped into empathy for her because uh because yeah.

SPEAKER_01 23:26

So and that can be really hard when you know somebody is is not being genuine with the readings that you're getting. It can be very challenging to be empathetic to that because you know, essentially, like, you know, I know for me, like at the fair, I'm like, how much money are you taking from people? Like, how like to me that it's it's a really an unethical practice.

SPEAKER_03 23:47

Yes, and that you should not be paying more than $300 an hour for a spiritual teacher to connect to your intuition, which we are all have, and and it should be accessible to everyone too.

SPEAKER_01 24:00

I I very strongly feel as well.

SPEAKER_03 24:03

And I I keep reading and hearing about people saying how until they really stepped into their spirituality and intuition, you know, therapy was great, but it really ended there because we do need that spiritual component. I'm talking to all absolutely all the therapists out there, so that's why a lot of people will then go to a spiritual teacher and they'll be like, they get all this stuff, and they're like, Oh my god, that's amazing. Well, yeah, because that was an a strong component that was supposed to be included in the whole pie of healing, right?

SPEAKER_01 24:37

Which makes sense, yeah. I mean, and and I also I I think that this kind of helps us step into, you know, the other topic that we were gonna talk about today, just a slight shift, but you know, how uncomfortable it can be as an intuitive to be out, to be open and honest about being, you know, psychic medium, you know, the looks you get when people meet you, because the first thing I know I and and you know, I know for me, like if I'm very honest with somebody when I first meet them, I'm I'll tell them I'm a psychic medium. And immediately you get this either that's so cool, or what do you see? Like, are you getting something? Are you picking something up? Is no, no, I'm not because I'm not reading you.

SPEAKER_03 25:24

Yeah, or it's not the time and place, like there are agreements between you, your loved ones, and everything.

SPEAKER_00 25:32

Yeah, and I know to look at me, I'm a pretty ordinary person. I don't dress crazy, I have a routine, my life is chaotic, but not everyone knows that. But to look at me, nobody would say psychic medium, like because I don't throw it out there, I don't advertise it, but now I'm on a podcast, and so people do know. And I am finding it, this is a good part about being psychic. I am finding it very connective when people hear that that's part of who I am. They're like, I have a story for you. I can't tell anybody, but I have a story I want to share with you. And that's happening, happening more and more. And so that's a wonderful thing that being open and out there has done for me. It's opened up that community, but it's also shed a couple friends. It's got me uninvited to things, and it's very hurtful because maybe they think I'm carrying around negative energy with me or something. And it is incredibly hurtful. And then the other hard part really is when you're doing what you do and you're finding the synchronicities and the connecting points. Like recently, the killer I had an experience with, he's come back on the scene and I'm hearing his name everywhere. And I reached out to someone who has done a lot of research on him. And as I'm writing that message, I'm like, you're gonna think I'm totally nuts. This isn't traditional. And I'm like, why am I explaining myself? This is the experience I had. I'm not making it up, and I want to share it. Maybe it won't help in the bigger picture, but maybe it'll give some insight. And why am I saying I'm crazy when he's come up with his own conclusion as to who the real killer is? Because he was never, he was never found and he has a whole idea of who this person was. And so it's like, why do I do that and discount mine just because I got it in a less traditional way? Right.

SPEAKER_03 27:34

Because we still have negative responses from people that are hurtful.

SPEAKER_01 27:38

Yeah, and well, not just do we have those negative responses, but it's the automatic judgment too that that you easily step into. You know, I can't tell you how many times, you know, I I've stepped in, like I've gotten to know somebody, and you know, they they find out, you know, I'm an intuitive and they have questions. And it's really cool when people like I am so willing to talk about it. But then what I find happens is kind of like when they when people have questions, the questions can turn into prove it. Prove it. Tell how how do I know, how do I know it's real? When I start down that path, and I'm sure you guys have experienced that, I shut it down. I'm not gonna prove anything to you. I have nothing to prove. I know my experiences, I know how many, you know, I know the readings that I've given, I know, you know, the connections and all of these things. Like, I'm not going to sit here and prove to you that I am real because I know I am. And if you're stepping into a reading and and you're doubting me that much, why are you paying me?

SPEAKER_03 28:41

Because they are they're so stuck in and their own doubt and their programming and preconceived notions of it that they wish someone could shake them up. Yeah, sometimes you gotta shake yourself up and stop stop going out to external sources to help you and start looking within.

SPEAKER_00 29:02

I completely agree with all that, and I think this has been a great episode. Do either of you want to say anything else about this topic or what you think the big takeaways are from this episode?

SPEAKER_01 29:16

I'll just say trust your gut when you're going to somebody, and if you don't feel that they're real and you think they're a fraud, trust your gut. Know that you probably know better than they do, and just ride the wave. You know, there is a lesson in it, even with frauds.

SPEAKER_03 29:34

And for me, the whole situation that happened for us is we're supposed to share it on this podcast. So a lot of people can hear it. And I'm sure they've had similar experiences, and this is validating.

SPEAKER_00 29:49

It really was validating. And then that was the first part. And the second part, the takeaway would be just, you know, if you're finding yourself readjusting, realigning, it's natural. And even at this point in our journeys, we're still going through that and figuring out friendships and what it feels like not to be invited to something, or what it feels like to doubt yourself. So that's all part of it. And you're not alone. We have this wonderful community here. We now have a library of episodes, and so you can download them and listen to them at any time. And yes, that's a plug. Like, listen to our episodes. Also, we have lots of places where you can connect with us. Please send in your stories because as we said earlier, we're open, we want to hear these stories, and we're somebody you can share them with. And we don't have to read them on the podcast. We would if you want to, but just share. No, you're not alone. And we love your questions.

SPEAKER_01 30:43

Send us questions, ask us anything, we're here for it. We love it.

SPEAKER_00 30:47

All right, I'ma say, stay classy, stay sassy, and stay badassy until next time, everyone. Bye, guys. Bye.