We did this thing...The Sallie House pt.1

SPEAKER_02 0:00

Hello everybody and welcome to this week's episode of Three Cups in a Dash of Spirituality. Today we are going to hear about Michelle and Carissa's experience at the Sally House. But small disclaimer, the stories that are shared in this episode are subjective and based on shared experiences for entertainment purposes. And let's get rolling. Hello, everybody, and welcome to another episode, i.e., podcast, Three Cups and a Dash of Spirituality. I'm really excited today because I haven't even heard these stories. But Michelle and Carissa, who are obviously with me, are going to be talking about their experience at the Sally house. And I wasn't able to go, which is the way the world works. But I am so excited because I have not heard the story yet. So I'm honestly just going to chuck the ball over to you ladies and let you arm wrestle who gets to share their experience first.

SPEAKER_01 0:59

Let's start out with what was being pulled, who and why being pulled to this house. Let's start off because you in Bonnie, Bonnie was the first one, Michelle, right?

SPEAKER_03 1:09

Right. Our friend Bonnie, who you'll meet in episode down the way a little bit, not too far, but she is a stage practitioner also. And we had been working together because we both have an interest in psychic investigation. And so we had been working together for a while, going back and forth doing exercises to kind of hone our skills there to see what you know we can do there. And she came across a podcast about the Sally House. And she asked me if I'd ever heard of it, which I hadn't, but I quickly found a podcast. It was three episodes long. It was Astonishing Legends, if you all want to go check it out. Great podcast. Again, a time commitment. But I listened to it and we decided we're going to go. Was originally just going to be the two of us, but then we went to a retreat in which um Bo thought about it and she decided to join us. And then after some convincing, because it wasn't in a five-star location or town, Carissa. Um I was like, oh thing. So Carissa's like, no, I need five stars or more. Thanks. And I told her about the holiday in express because that was like the nicest hotel we could find in town. You should have seen her face. And then she immediately went online and looked for bed bugs. I love you, Chris. I would do the same thing.

SPEAKER_01 2:36

To be fair, I would as well. It changes as you get older, right? It does. Okay, so I came back from vacation this summer because I was like a dead no. I'm not going, I'm just not going to go sleep on the floor. And I came back from vacation. My guides were like, You're gonna go. And I'm thinking, okay. So I texted Michelle. I said, Well, I'm going. My guide said you're going. I said, Okay. Um, we then discussed how on the website it said, you're not allowed to clear. My husband's an attorney. He said, legally, you cannot clear it. And I was not into going to a house just to take footage of these stuck spirits that are trapped, right? Without clearing them out. So I sat down with my guides. I said, here's another caveat, not going. And they said, Well, we wholeheartedly disagree with this. We want you to go for the experience, and you will not be clearing it. You will see when you get there. And then where do you want to go from there? And then it's like, dun, dun, dun, dun, dun, dun, dun.

SPEAKER_03 3:40

I'm telling you that I have not yet shared my experience with many people in my life. Stacy's heard a little bit about it. I finally opened up to someone in my life yesterday, and the reaction I got is the exact reason why I haven't shared it, because I cannot put into human words what we experience going into that house. And that house, for me anyway, it started reaching out to me like six weeks before I even got there. I was getting images of it. I felt a dark energy that would like descend down out of the ceiling. And I pictured us all in like raincoats, like as our protection and an umbrella, so it could just slide past us. So that was the first thing. And then reading the book, I had two or three other things that popped through that were coincidences or synchronicities, but they sure did feel like it was a house reaching out to me. Did the house reach out to you, Carissa, before I did tap in and it was, it was, it felt dark.

SPEAKER_01 4:40

And my guides were like, No, we're not doing this right now. You're gonna wait. I was like, okay. That was child energy too, right? That's right. I totally forgot. And I said it was androgynous. I just saw the hair, and I said, There is a child there, but it's androgynous. I don't know if it's a female or a male, but yeah, and I did see that.

SPEAKER_03 5:00

Right. And so now we're in Acheson, Kansas, which is just a little town. It's a cute little town. It has a little farmer's market, which is a really little, but you know, it's that small town vibe, which was really cool. And I know, and I'll let Bo share what happened to her on the way there, but I know the four of us were in the car, and I heard someone clearly say, Can you even hear me? And this was right a couple hours maybe before we went in to the house. The check-in was three o'clock.

SPEAKER_01 5:31

Cash registers went down, internet went down. Then we're in the car, and no one was sitting in the middle of the seat in the back seat, and it's the seat belt started alarming, going off. I have it recorded. I should have had, I have something else recorded that I'll play, but it started going off too. And Bo was saying, because she's done lots of these going to all these quote unquote haunted places. She likes to call them humans too, which we can explain later why. And she said, these kinds of things happen to scare you or prevent you from doing anything.

SPEAKER_03 6:02

The interesting thing is, I heard that in the car. As Krissa said, we went to the Chamber of Commerce, which sells things for the Sally house. It's kind of their visitor center. So we we went there, we tried to pay at three o'clock, which is when we could check into the house, and all the cash registers went down. We could not complete our purchase. So we're already a little heightened walking out of there. And Bo says, before you get into my car, GCP, which again is ground clear protect. That's the Sage methods, ground clear protect. And we did. Now, ground clearing and protecting only keeps out what is not for your greatest and highest good. But all four of us did it. And as soon as we got in the car, and this did not happen on any of the other part of the trip, the middle seat was empty. And she started getting a continuous alert, beep, beep, beep, beep, beep, beep, beep, saying that we needed to buckle that person in in the middle of the seat or in the middle seat, in the middle of the seat. I can't even talk. Um, and that only happened after we left the chamber of commerce. We went to Walmart to get some supplies. We got back in, it happened again, and then it was done. And so I'd come to conclude after thinking about it that it was a guide or someone there to help protect us because with all four of us GCPing the power around that to keep everything out that wasn't for our greatest and it had to be someone who was there to help us.

SPEAKER_01 7:32

I didn't even think about that. So then we get into what happened. Okay, then we get stay seeing. So now what happened? Then what happened?

SPEAKER_03 7:41

Well, Chris and I walked to the house, and Bonnie and Bo drove over. So they met us in the front yard. And while we were walking to the house, another sign or synchronicity, we walked by a Ghostbuster car.

SPEAKER_01 7:53

Literally a Ghostbuster car. And on it it said, We believe in you. Or what it said, does it believe in you or keep doing?

SPEAKER_03 8:00

Yeah, we believe in you, is what it said. And so we're like, okay, okay, they believe in us. So we picked up our pace and we we walked a little faster and got to the house. And now we're entering the house, which was heavy.

SPEAKER_01 8:15

It was just icky and like, and I thought, well, maybe it's just because it's not really clean. Maybe there's bed buds. I don't know.

SPEAKER_02 8:22

Anyway, go ahead and say can you explain that a little bit better? So, what does that mean? It just it was icky. What like when you stepped in? Can you explain it to anything?

SPEAKER_01 8:32

You walk into a house that's warm and inviting and it feels good, and then you walk into a house where you're just like, I don't, I don't really like me, I don't know what it is about this house, but I don't really ick like it.

SPEAKER_03 8:44

It was kept in the 1990s. That's when the Pikmans, who are the first ones that brought the Sally House to the national stage, or so people knew about the fact it was haunted, it looked like probably their living room or you know what their living room would have looked like. There, it was not in disrepair, but there were cracks in the wall. So that was what we're seeing. But what we're feeling is almost dread. It is so heavy, it is so stagnant, it's in the air, it's just surrounding you and casing. Like I can't think really of how to put it into words, but yeah.

SPEAKER_02 9:23

Well, I think you guys, when we have talked about this in the past, like recently, whenever it's come up, one of the best visuals that I've heard one of you say, and I'm not sure who it was, is that it felt like walking through really thick mud or really thick, just yuck. Just yeah.

SPEAKER_03 9:42

I in the past, because I did do research about the Sally house, I read the book, I listened to podcasts, I try to listen to videos, and I was very off put by one of the videos that I saw. It was two men who went into the house and they were taunting, they were being rude and disrespectful. And that is what I felt also. It's just everybody coming in with expectations and this house, you know, just stuck there. And it did feel like walking or going through mud. It was very uncomfortable.

SPEAKER_01 10:17

Yep. So we get in. The first thing that happens when we go upstairs is Bo's was pushed, not like really hard pushed, but it's just like her feet buckled at the very top of the stairs. When we went back downstairs to read, because there's notes all over the house, it said someone had been pushed from the top of the stairs into the railing, just like she was.

SPEAKER_03 10:41

It was almost duplicate, and Bo hadn't done any research. We hadn't read that.

SPEAKER_01 10:46

Yep. The bathroom door opened twice downstairs on its own.

SPEAKER_02 10:51

Yeah, yes. Was it easily latched?

SPEAKER_01 10:55

It just was shut. No one latched it. No one latched, I mean no one locked it.

SPEAKER_02 10:59

No, I asked. Oh, go ahead. Because I'm wondering if it's one of those weird sort of like shifting and like shifting in the base. So I'm not trying to challenge you, but yeah, no, no, no. Yeah, no.

SPEAKER_03 11:10

So when we first got to the house, it's like two parts. We go into the house, we set up all of our equipment, then we go to dinner because Krista gets hungry. I'm kidding, we were all hungry. And then we came back.

SPEAKER_02 11:23

And what does setup mean? Like, what did you guys bring? Sorry to keep it. Oh, yeah. Thank you.

SPEAKER_01 11:28

This is the first. Yeah, tell about the equipment. It was really cool. I want, I want even more advanced equipment for next time.

SPEAKER_03 11:34

Yeah, she's been sending me all these links to advanced equipment. We are gonna be so prepared. We're gonna have a videographer with us or something. I brought in a mag flashlight because you know if you screw it just before it turns on, they can communicate with that. I brought, of course, my phone for photos and video. I did bring another camera, but I couldn't figure out how the technology of it worked, so I didn't use it. We had spirit boxes, we had uh what are those little things rods, the dousing rods, but then the E, the things that you know have the different colors. Yeah, yeah. We had two of those. Bonnie brought crystals, she brought tarot cards. I had my um Archangel Michael pin it that I could use as a pendulum. What else did we have? Audio recorders. We had computers to record, audio to record anything that might be picked up. So we were prepared. We just didn't know how to use the equipment.

SPEAKER_02 12:38

So at this point in time, you guys have gone in, you've set up, and then Carissa got hungry, and now you're back. So okay.

SPEAKER_01 12:47

That's when we go upstairs, Bo buckled, and then we're just going downstairs to I don't know what machine it was or where they talked to you through it. The spirit box. Spirit box, okay.

SPEAKER_03 13:00

Yeah, but before that happened when we were still because Bo's knees had buckled, and so it's been told in books that Sally likes to play ball, and every once in a while, if there's a ball at the top of the stairs, it gets pushed down the stairs or it moves. So me being like, I need to document this. I was getting out my camera and I set my foot next to the ball. And I don't know what happened, but that ball got kicked, pushed, moved into my foot. And as soon as it touched my foot, I felt this thing go up and through me.

SPEAKER_01 13:34

I don't know how else to explain it, but it's I was so mad because I saw her with her phone and I was thinking, great, she got that on video. No, she was about to take a picture. So we played with the ball again. We're like, okay, maybe it's the flooring, maybe it's something. We tried pushing and moving. No, nothing. And I'm so mad on camera.

SPEAKER_03 13:58

And we did find too that there were several times things would happen and we would try to get our camera out to take video and it would stop. So it's like it didn't want it on video.

SPEAKER_01 14:09

That's true. That's true. I did get when we were using the spirit box, we were taught because someone supposedly was pushed down the basement stairs. We got a knock on, and I can play it for us later. Um, uh we heard a knock on the basement door. Only happened one time, our whole time was there, didn't happen again. And you have it easily accessible, please.

SPEAKER_02 14:29

Yeah, that's right here. You want to hear it? Yeah.

SPEAKER_01 14:31

I don't want to wait.

SPEAKER_00 14:33

Okay, it's super quick. Push you down the stairs. Hold it.

SPEAKER_01 14:38

Hold on, let me do it again.

SPEAKER_00 14:41

Hold it. You ask questions work.

SPEAKER_01 14:44

Did y'all hear that just then? You want me to go back? I'm gonna go back. Listen to the very when it was a hit on the attic on the basement door.

SPEAKER_00 14:52

You ask questions work.

SPEAKER_01 14:55

Did y'all hear that?

SPEAKER_02 14:56

Do you want me to do it again? But I think I think that's because I'm gonna do it one more time. It's right after said you ask questions.

SPEAKER_00 15:03

Questions work. I'm gonna do it again. You ask questions boom work.

SPEAKER_01 15:09

Did you hear it? One and only time, that's when we're talking about the someone being pushed down the basement stairs, knock on the basement door.

SPEAKER_03 15:18

And when we did the spirit box, we used the Esties method to do that, which means one of us had a pair of noise-canceling headphones on, and they were plugged into the box. So the other three were asking questions, and one was listening and just saying what was coming through. So they did not hear the question, and so much, so much came through that we started getting a feel for what was in the house.

SPEAKER_00 15:47

Yep.

SPEAKER_03 15:48

And it worked best. Sorry, it worked best with Bonnie listening or Bo listening. For me, it was too hard.

SPEAKER_01 15:55

Fast forward, we're upstairs in one of the rooms, not one of the kids' rooms. And I said, There is a guy here. He just walked in the room, and I'm seeing all this inside my head, not outside, because he doesn't, he's he's a young still stuck soul to me. And um, I said, He's charm trying to charm me. I definitely can tell he's some kind of not a good guy, right? Not a good guy. Michelle is connected to serial killers. So I was like, This guy more than likely is one. He is charming, he's trying to say we're a me and him are alike, and he keeps showing me black boots. Okay, go ahead, Michelle.

SPEAKER_03 16:33

Well, I'm just gonna say I've never seen Carissa do this in all the time, all this time that I've worked with her, but she actually got up and went over to the door frame and stood like she could see him standing, and then she went through his personality traits as far as this is what he feels like. He's trying to charm me, disarm me to be funny, but that's not really who he is. And then she starts describing him with the big detail being the black boots that he was wearing.

SPEAKER_01 17:04

So then we all started researching serial killers in the area.

SPEAKER_03 17:09

Yeah, killers in Kansas. And Krista came up with one, and she's like, nope, doesn't look like him. And so on my phone, I'm doing my research too, and I just put in, I didn't put anything about boots in, I put in Kansas serial killers, and a list came up, and I'm like, oh, this one seems right. Boom. I push on it, and all the pieces start coming together. Now, if you remember in the last episode, we talked about coincidences, synchronicities, and breadcrumbs. And once they start compounding and building, you kind of got to go with where it takes you and not question it too much. And so what we're gonna share now is kind of our journey into that and how these pieces started coming together.

SPEAKER_01 17:55

This is all subjective, it's a personal experience. We are not here to offend anyone, hurt anyone. So we're not going to say this is a hundred percent actual facts because that's not the name of the game is to harm anyone.

SPEAKER_02 18:11

Well, this is based solely on the experience that you guys had. So it's an experience is a hundred percent subjective.

SPEAKER_01 18:18

Yes. So so go ahead, Carissa. Then Michelle, do y'all want to see his picture?

SPEAKER_03 18:26

Well, the the thing about him, and while we why we started uh honing in on that was he was caught going to pick up his black work boots that he mailed to himself after he killed the family, and the wife, the mother's name was Bonnie. And we were there with a Bonnie. Bonnie's the one that got pulled to the how on. Not only was her name Bonnie, but the murders happened on Bonnie's birthday. Yes.

SPEAKER_01 18:56

And when Michelle, I think, pulled up his picture. Here he is. Isn't he cute and a little charming? And no, I mean, uh, Stacey's like, no, he does have a no. What Stacy, what's gonna for you? You're like, I don't think he's cute at all.

SPEAKER_02 19:14

Well, I mean, physically, yes, adorable, you know, like you said adorable.

SPEAKER_01 19:18

Look at that word, adorable.

SPEAKER_02 19:20

You know, stepping into that, even looking at that picture energetically, I'm going, nope, I don't want anything to do with this dude. So yeah, yeah.

SPEAKER_03 19:28

No, so that was the first few pieces that started to fall into place. But again, we didn't want to pigeonhole ourselves in the experience. We wanted to stay open to all possibilities, but when it keeps presenting itself over and over and over again, that's where you go. And four of us there were great thinkers, we had having our own experiences, but collectively, this is what we decided, or who we decided.

SPEAKER_01 19:57

There were others there. There was a young boy. I mean, there were other stuck souls, and a female spirit, an older female spirit that we that talked to us through the spirit box. Then there was another synchronicity where on the fridge there was a magnet, a Las Vegas magnet. And that's where he ran to after the murder. That is where he was captured. And remember, this house is saying there's a little kid named Sally. I feel we all feel Sally's been cleared. But with these homes, these quote unquote haunted homes, you know, they'll say disclaimer, you can't clear, but it really doesn't matter because if you clear it, it's just gonna draw in more stuck souls. They're always going to be haunted.

SPEAKER_02 20:47

Well, that's that's one of those things that you learn, though, too. I think we we talked about this briefly, is that energetically, so souls are are drawn to certain energies. So if you've got a haunted house or something along those lines, naturally a stuck soul is gonna be like, I want to go there because that's where all the people are.

SPEAKER_01 21:04

Yeah, especially if their intent is to scare people. They're like they're beelining for that place. So if you ever hear about places being cleared, don't worry, because you're gonna have some experiences. So we then sat down. Well, there's more synchronicities about him, but I guess we can come back to that.

SPEAKER_03 21:23

We can revisit those because it's kind of the whole experience that happened. We're going down a road like this is probably who it is. And mind you, I don't have the notes in front of me, but Bonnie did take notes of the words that were coming through with the spirit box. And there's a lot of violence in those words. It's like that hit lay. Like there was a lot that came through there that she has the notes of. I don't have those.

SPEAKER_01 21:50

Yeah. And it was really interesting because Michelle later on, someone you read or heard how some people thought he was kind of psychic. Or a medium, in that he was also very charming and compassionate or empathic. I can't remember the word you used.

SPEAKER_03 22:07

Right. I had never heard of these murders before. They're the Clutter family murders. There were four victims: a mom, a dad, a daughter, a son. But apparently there's a famous book written about these murders. It's called In Cold Blood. It's by Truman Capote. And it was, many people consider it the first true crime book ever written, but he did take liberties for it. So you've got to take everything he says with a grain of salt. But I'm doing that deep dive. I'm listening to podcasts about this family now. I'm reading this book. And in the book by Truman Capote, it does say that Willie J, who was in mate of Harry's, said that he thought he had mediumistic qualities or premonitions about things that would happen. He truly did believe in fate. And with us, I will tell you, no matter where we were in this house, he was taunting. It's like you guys think you're so badass. You're not touching me, you're not talking to the other people. He was very strong and adamant that we were fools.

SPEAKER_01 23:16

So then we're sitting at the table and it's a little before one o'clock.

SPEAKER_03 23:22

Oh, wait, can we go back real quick?

SPEAKER_01 23:24

Yes, please.

SPEAKER_03 23:25

The other thing about this house, and at least I think all of us experienced it, it is very triggering emotionally. And when we were upstairs in the little kids' bedroom, the little seven-year-old boy came in. Carissa was able to hold that negative in another room. And this little boy comes in. I felt him like this is a house where you're gonna see the hair stand up on your arms. You're gonna see goosebumps, you're gonna feel it throughout your body. It just is that place. And upstairs, when he came in, I felt like he sat down on my lap. And I got super emotional because I am a mom of boys, and this is the little boy being stuck there. He's not able to cross to be reunited with his family. So I got very emotional at that point. It pushed my triggers and knew my triggers. Like I told you, it's been reaching out to me first, and I had to leave the house for like 10 or 15 minutes to just get out of that energy to clear my mind. And it was very, very overwhelming. And then I came back in, and that's when we were at the table. So I had to share that part just because the house is triggering. Be prepared when you go in, protected that it will push at your the things you treasure most in life or the things you've worked the hardest for.

SPEAKER_01 24:46

Yep. And then we're sitting at the table, and mind you, I wanted to go home by 1 a.m. And everyone was like, the witching hours too, more stuff's gonna start happening. Go ahead.

SPEAKER_03 25:00

Oh, sorry, I just thought of this too. When we were up in the room right before that happened, and that's the reason I went there and interrupted you before. Through the spirit box, we heard the time 12 o'clock, or we heard the time midnight. It came through. So when we're down at the table, we're all like, It was midnight. We have to wait till before midnight. It was before midnight because it was like 11. We're like, now do we have to wait here till midnight with whatever's gonna happen? Is it gonna get really active at midnight? We didn't know. So we're all sitting around the table, we're working with the spirit boxes and sorry.

SPEAKER_01 25:30

Now I will know that I remember, yes. And Bo said, I've uh an earth keeper just came through. Earthkeepers are someone who um before they pass say they want to stay in the in-between to protect the land. That's what an earth keeper is.

SPEAKER_02 25:46

Yeah, they kind of create balance too. They're they're here for balance.

SPEAKER_01 25:51

And she said, an earth keepers come through and Bonnie, she asked Bonnie just tap in with him and or him or her, we don't know, and hold space. And she just got really emotional and started breathing a little bit deeper.

SPEAKER_03 26:05

And she couldn't move. That earthkeeper was associated with Bonnie when Bo felt that energy outside the house. She's like, it's associated with you. And then it was almost like that quick.

SPEAKER_01 26:18

And then all of a sudden, the house was light and clear, crisp, even the lights felt brighter. And Bo said, They're gone. Can you see how now we just feel like we're sitting in a house? And I and I just was like, Oh my gosh, yes, that's what I was just thinking. Right before my grandfather died, a minister came in the house, and before he to give him talk to him and read him and help him feel comfortable before he transitioned. And before the minister left, looked at me, he goes, There's so much beautiful energy in this house. Can you feel it? Like angels. And I and I remember saying, Yes, I really can. And that's what it felt like in that moment, like that earthkeeper, what our experience was, the earthkeeper came in and cleared it. And we were just sitting there witnessing it.

SPEAKER_03 27:09

We got to be witnesses. And it was really interesting too, because two tiebacks to this Earthkeeper, I believe it was Native American, um, Native American Earthkeeper Bonnie, when we had had a previous meeting, her hand just started to doodle. And what she drew on her paper looked like a headdress of some sort. And she's like, is this connected at all this place or the land to Native American? So she already was thinking that. We just hadn't put all the dots together as to what that meant. And then when we were at the hotel, someone told me, they asked what we were doing. And I said, We're going to the Sally house. They're like, Oh, these are the energies that could be there. And they did speak of a Native American too. We didn't feel one in the house. It definitely was something outside the house that was connected to Bonnie that came in. And I'll tell you, I've never seen someone sit that she couldn't move. And I reached out my hand, I'm like, it's here if you need it. I couldn't move my hand. I just left it there because it's like so intense in that moment. And the feelings she had coming through were that of wind and the element of wind. And I can't remember if she said another element or not.

SPEAKER_02 28:18

So I know we're gonna have her on, so I'm excited to hear her experience. But now that I've kind of actually heard the whole story, I have questions. I hope we have answers. Okay, you ready for my first question? Yes, what is one or two things that really stuck out to you guys about this experience?

SPEAKER_01 28:37

That we all needed to be there.

SPEAKER_03 28:40

Yes.

SPEAKER_01 28:41

And we all participated on some level.

SPEAKER_03 28:44

Exactly. Um, it would have been a different experience if one of us wasn't there. It's like Carissa getting up and being able to see her or see him with her third eye and to give us such an accurate description as to what we are looking at. Me, who does have a connection a little bit to serial killers and being able to put those puzzle pieces together, Bo recognizing that's Earthkeeper energy and explaining to us what that is. And then Bonnie, like she's the one that got us all there. And every step of the way, she was so supportive and feeling things and able to articulate, and it was pretty amazing. So that's that's one thing.

SPEAKER_01 29:22

And I've never been in a location before and after something has been cleared, never. So that was that was not like I'm not a haunted house where there's that much activity. You know, I have where spirits come through because I tell my guides if I'm in meditation or my home is open for me to clear, but they're not coming in all the time. So that's different. It's walking into a house where they have been there a very long time, and the house has got a bunch of them, and then all of a sudden they're gone. I've never experienced that before.

SPEAKER_03 29:57

Anything else for you, Michelle? Um, for me, because I've heard it can happen, just having your emotions triggered or those things you hold most dear feel threatened, and them using it again. I've never experienced that before. And I know when I was in the house, just keep your mind clear. That is what I kept telling myself. And several times people would look at me like, Are you okay? I'm like, Yep, I'm just keeping my mind clear, just trying to clear it out. I don't want family in here, I don't want friends in here, I just want to be here for the experience. And yeah, that I never experienced that.

SPEAKER_02 30:31

Okay. What, if anything, would either of you do differently?

SPEAKER_01 30:36

Oh, I know what I do differently. And I have someone I'm gonna contact him and ask about what cameras I would have a camera up the whole time because you would have been able to catch all the stuff we're talking about. The ball, there was a string that moved that we laid out. The knot pictures of the string, not video, but I do have pictures of the string and how it was so sorry. And you would be able to see the whole progression of everything. So, what I would do differently is to have more advanced equipment because some of the listeners may like, maybe like me, like, eh, come on, I want to see, I want to feel, I want to hear. That's what I would do differently.

SPEAKER_03 31:14

What about you, Michelle? Right in this moment, I can't think of anything I would do differently. I will tell you, when I left the house, I left feeling changed. I went back to the hotel room and I used selenite to clear everything that went into the house. And honestly, that night, I didn't know if I'd ever be able to go into any haunted house with any sort of negative energy again. I actually deleted every single picture I took there, every single video. I didn't clear it out of my phone because the next day, when I was feeling better, I pulled it all back into my camera role. But I think I would just be a little bit more aware. I think I protected myself really well, but I think now that I have a little more knowledge as to what things feel like, it'll allow me to step into curiosity easier than fear.

SPEAKER_02 32:04

I love that because you just walked into my next question. Oh were you surprised at your reactions? I was.

SPEAKER_01 32:10

I mean, I was surprised we got anything, honestly. I was like, we'll see. Like me noise and things.

SPEAKER_03 32:18

Yeah, we heard growls and things like that. I will say when we walked into that house at four o'clock, there was more activity at four o'clock than there was later in the night, 10, 11 in that time frame. So walking in, it was just like a lot of activity. Now, what was your question again? Were we surprised by our reactions? I was actually surprised there was a lot of activity at 4 p.m. versus way late in the night. And I was surprised that it's taken me this long, like that I actually have to process through it because when something happens to me, I'm jumping up and down, I'm sending you guys messages, like I had this experience, it was so cool. But this one I had to sit with. And I don't even think the day after Chris, I mean, we talked a little bit about it, but I don't think we were any of us were in a space to go back into that house. I did walk by it the next day.

SPEAKER_01 33:12

Yeah, and I didn't even want to talk about it for a few days, but I will say I'm ready for my next one. Like I want it now. It's so weird. I really want the next one now. I want to do it again. I loved it. I had so it was such a cool experience, and now I'm way more open to it. Yeah.

SPEAKER_02 33:34

What would you say is the most important thing you learned from this experience? What is the most good?

SPEAKER_03 33:40

I think this experience really opened my eyes to what a human zoo feels like. Spirits being like stuck there. And Krissa, you probably have a very good explanation as to what we mean by a human zoo. But I said earlier I was very distraught about two people who went in there and they were harassing the house. And all I could feel is like, give this house a break, like give these spirits a break, leave them alone. Like they didn't sign on every day to have people walking through to see what they'd experience. And I know they're on a different timeline, but it just felt exhausting and tired. And so I believe that I have I've heard the term. I thought I understood what it meant, but now I feel what it means.

SPEAKER_01 34:24

Yeah, and these places where they say, oh, you're not allowed to clear, I don't think they realize that these are spirits that are confused and stuck and need to help in transitioning. I don't think there's anything melevant or bad or mean about these places that have that disclaimer. But you don't even need to put that disclaimer because, like I said, if you're advertising it and people are buying tickets and it's this in and out haunted place, it's there are so many stuck souls that are, it's always going to be haunted. So you really, and I'm talking to all these owners out there that have these haunted places. You really don't have to put disclaimer, do not clear, because someone could clear it without even going in the house. You don't even have to be in the same location and it can be cleared. And it will always remain a place for spirits to come in and out. But they'll actually be drawn to. They'll be drawn to because you've you've given them the space. Yep. There is no need to say you're not allowed to clear because people can do it that don't even have to go to the location, and it doesn't even matter because it's it's it's gonna be haunted anyway.

SPEAKER_03 35:34

Yeah, it really does feel like when the Earth Keeper came and he just took the land and went kind of like this, like you would shake a rug and you know, the ripple effect and it was calm.

SPEAKER_01 35:45

It's like sh dusting off a rug.

SPEAKER_02 35:48

Honestly, ladies, I think that this is like the perfect wrap-up because that that ends it on such a positive note. Thank you for sharing your experiences. I know in the coming episodes, we're gonna have Bonnie in and we're gonna have Bo in, so that they can share their experiences and we can kind of pepper them with questions too. So with that, I think I'm gonna say stay classy.

SPEAKER_01 36:12

Stay slashy.

SPEAKER_03 36:14

Stay badassy. Bye everyone.