UFOs & UAPs Part 2: The Experience When the Unknown Becomes Personal

SPEAKER_01 0:00

Hey everyone, on this week's episode of Whispers from the Mist, Conversations from the Spiritual Byway, we are going to be continuing our conversation about UFOs, UAPs, and the unknown. In this episode, we'll share personal experiences, local encounters, and explore how belief, curiosity, and culture shape the way we think about what may be just beyond our understanding. So join us today as we continue this conversation along the spiritual byway. Hello, everyone, and welcome to this week's episode of Whispers from the Mists, Conversations from the Spiritual Byway. I am Michelle. I am here with Stacy. Hi, Stacy.

SPEAKER_00 0:48

Hello, Michelle. Hello, everybody. I'm actually really excited to be back to talk about this topic.

SPEAKER_01 0:55

Probably because you're going to get a chance to talk in this episode, because the last one I feel like I was just reading stories, but they were good stories.

SPEAKER_00 1:03

Well, I mean, this time I'm going to be reading stories, so I guess there's a trade-off there, right?

SPEAKER_01 1:09

I sure hope so because I want the pressure to be on you for a little while.

SPEAKER_00 1:12

I was gonna say, what are we talking about?

SPEAKER_01 1:15

Well, we are going to be continuing the conversation on UAPs or UFOs or extraterrestrials, however you want to say it, that which we do not know a lot about.

SPEAKER_00 1:30

Aliens.

SPEAKER_01 1:31

Aliens, yes. And as we mentioned in the first episode, Hollywood would have us fearful of aliens. Either for our own personal safety, they're gonna attack and dominate, or they're gonna become extraterrestrial guinea pigs.

SPEAKER_00 1:50

So it's interesting. My husband and I have talked a little bit about UFOs, UAPs, aliens, all of that jazz. And he said, in his personal opinion, he's like, I think we're just an ant farm for some aliens that are just watching us all do our things, like you know, we do with an a an ant farm because you know, people get them and they put the sand in them and they watch how busy they are and those things. He's like, I'm convinced that that's just what's happening. So it's interesting.

SPEAKER_01 2:20

It's wild because I've had the same thoughts. I think of something like the Truman show, which again Hollywood-based, but there are times when I'm sitting here going, is there something greater that is controlling what I do right now? Are they rolling a dice? And if they get number one, I do this, and if they get number two, I do that.

SPEAKER_00 2:41

Yeah, I I love that. And it it just kind of makes you question everything in a way where you're like, well, if I'm just, you know, an ant farm or a part of an ant farm, what am I doing?

SPEAKER_01 2:54

Or if I'm just part of a game, if I'm part of a Jumanji gone wild or something, or in my case, it would be Jumanji gone boring.

SPEAKER_00 3:03

Did you know that Jumanji was actually filmed in my state? I didn't know that. Yep. Yep, it was. Okay.

SPEAKER_01 3:11

Well, people New Hampshire are more interesting than where I'm from, I guess.

SPEAKER_00 3:15

New Hampshire's a weird one. I feel like a lot more has happened here than people uh realized. But I mean, the state you're from is very famous. Both of them are.

SPEAKER_01 3:27

Like Alaska, we have the Alaska Triangle. There is a whole show on that. Arizona, you're talking Sedona, you're talking the desert. We're right next to Nevada, where we have area, what is it? 51. 51, that's what I thought, but I didn't want to say it in case I was wrong. But it's a the area, the famous area where they are said to hold all those things which we do not know about yet. Right. We're right next to New Mexico. And, you know, a couple of years ago, I was doing research on aliens and I was shocked because I heard St. Louis, like places like that, are just known hotbeds for these incidents being reported. And now on the East Coast, too, New Hampshire.

SPEAKER_00 4:12

Yeah, I I mean, I guess a great opportunity for me to kind of jump into a little bit of history. And I did pull up some of the stories, the two stories that make the town that I'm located in super famous. We have a UFO festival in September every year. And like a lot of people come to hear the stories to see the ufologists that study these phenomenon and hear them taught. I've actually had the opportunity to meet several of the more influential ufologists that come out to share their research, which is super fascinating and probably a story for another time. But I do have two stories to share today. And the first one takes takes place in the town that I actually live in, which makes it a little bit more fun. But for myself, I'm probably not going to share the name of the town that I live in, but I'll share everything kind of around it if that's okay.

SPEAKER_01 5:06

That's fair.

SPEAKER_00 5:07

So the story takes place on the night of September 3rd, 1965. So 18-year-old Norman Muscarello was walking along a road near the town, just outside of my town, when he reported seeing a large dark object with bright red flashing lights hovering nearby. Frightened, he ran to the police station to report it. Two police officers later investigated the area and independently reported seeing a strange object with flashing red lights moving silently over a field. Multiple witnesses reported similar sightings around the same time. Several police reports were filed, and the case eventually received national attention. Unlike many UFO stories, the case involved multiple independent witnesses that were not put up to making those calls, officer witnesses, official reports, and an investigation by the U.S. Air Force's Project Blue Book Program. Even after investigation, no explanation gains universal acceptance. Supporters consider it one of the strongest UFO cases on record, while skeptics have suggested misidentified aircraft, astronomical objects, or other natural explanations. And to bring it back in, you know, to why this is kind of such a cool thing that I live here, the incident became such a part of local history that our town hosts the annual UFO festival, which attracts UFO enthusiasts, researchers, skeptics, and just curious visitors from around the country. My aunt actually came one year from Pennsylvania just to be here for the UFO festival. It commemorates the 1965 sightings and explores the UFO UAP topics more broadly. But according to many retellings, the object that they they saw has been described as silent, long, and dark, hovering low over a field and emitting bright red flashing lights. And it was capable of rapid movement unlike a conventional aircraft. These details are what helped m make it known as one of the most enduring UFO mysteries in New England.

SPEAKER_01 7:23

And a little bit of what you describe there sounds like that tic-tac.

SPEAKER_00 7:28

Yeah. It does. And it's interesting because as I was sharing the story, because I'm I'm reading through it, I'm going, this sounds almost like if if they are similar crafts of whatever that they can blend in according to what they need to blend into. So I'm wondering if the tic-tac incident was reflective of like the moon, or maybe this vocal incident was reflective of like trying to blend into the the field. So it was dark as opposed to light.

SPEAKER_01 8:11

They were t talking about something that looked like a big potato in the sky. But when I saw it, I'm like, it looks like one of those damn Tic Tacs. Yeah. Yeah. But they were referred to it as a potato. So potato potato, tic-tac. Like, I don't know.

SPEAKER_00 8:27

But that is potato, potato, tic-tac, tic-tac, whatever.

SPEAKER_01 8:33

No, but that's a fascinating story. I didn't know that where you live had a festival, and such, I want to say ancient story, but I'm almost that age.

SPEAKER_00 8:45

It's it's a pretty rich history. And the next one that I'm gonna share, and I can jump right into it, is um another one of the more famous ones in the country. It's it's the Betty and Barney Hill incident. On September 19, 1961, there's something about September that's interesting. Betty and Barney Hill were driving home to Portsmouth, New Hampshire after a vacation in Montreal. As they traveled through the White Mountains along Route 3, Betty noticed a bright light in the sky that seemed to be moving strangely. The couple stopped several times to observe it, and Barney later reported seeing what appeared to be figures inside a large craft through binoculars. As they continued driving, they heard a series of buzzing sounds. After that, their memories became fragmented. They eventually arrived home much later than expected and realized they could not account for roughly two hours of time. In the days following the encounter, they reported several odd details. Their watches stopped working. Barney's shoes were scuffed and damaged. Betty's dress was torn. Both felt unusually disturbed by the experience, and neither could fully remember what happened during the missing time. Betty also began having vivid dreams in which she and Barney were taken aboard a spacecraft and examined by non-human beings. A couple of years later, the Hills underwent hypnosis sessions with psychiatrist Dr. Benjamin Simon during separate sessions, both described being taken aboard in a craft by humanoid beings and subjected to medical examinations. Their accounts were similar in some respects, though not identical. One of the most famous details came from Betty, who said she was shown a star map by one of the beings. Later, UFO researchers attempted to match it to the star system Zeta reticuli, giving rise to the famous Zeta Reticulli Incident nickname. It goes on to say the story is important because the Hills did not immediately seek publicity. In fact, Barney reportedly wanted the event kept private. However, after their story leaked to the press, it became a national sensation and was later turned into the best-selling book, The Interrupted Journey, and television movie, The UFO Incident. Many historians consider it to be the first widely publicized alien abduction case in American history, and it heavily influenced nearly every abduction story that followed. How fascinating.

SPEAKER_01 11:18

I mean, the whole story and under hypnosis to come up with such specific details.

SPEAKER_00 11:26

And in different details, too. One other thing to note is the believers who believe Betty and Barney Hill point to the fact that the Hill's reputation was very respected in the community. They were also civil rights activists and their consistent reports over many years. Again, this is what came up when you shared one of your stories, the consistency over years. It did not change. And that is actually a huge demonstration that someone is sharing a true story. If details widely vary over years, oftentimes it's because it didn't truly happen. And the other thing that they point out is the missing time because their watch is stopped and the physical details they reported afterwards. How weird that would be if you really were missing time.

SPEAKER_01 12:11

Isn't that interesting? It is very interesting. And I would like to also point out that, you know, he wanted to keep it under wraps. The person this happened to did not want it to be widely known because there was a stigma attached to it. Fast forward 50 years later, you know, to make that 911 call, there was a little bit of a stigma there. They weren't doing it to be TikTok famous. They weren't doing it to play a hoax on people. There's still all those years later that stigma around it. Like we are credible people, but we're going to be questioned or people are going to doubt us when we share our experience.

SPEAKER_00 12:57

It's fascinating to me, especially because you almost wonder if the thought process behind not wanting to share your information and not wanting to be opened up or subjected to that ridicule in a way is because they were very well known in the community and they were political activists. Like they were very historically well known in the in the community. But being that they were so widely known, he probably was worried that it would hurt their cause.

SPEAKER_01 13:25

And I even know right now, being open spiritually, having this podcast out there, I do fear sometimes being taken less seriously for other passions in my life, other things that I want to pursue. Like I want to pursue it out of a way of giving back to the community, of being able to have a voice and putting my heart and my purpose behind something. But then I'm like, well, if they see this part of me, maybe they won't take me so seriously. So that is a fear, even in the area of spirituality, not even aliens or beyond.

SPEAKER_00 14:03

Absolutely. And that's, I feel like that fear is very normal because we assume, you know, we want people to listen to us, we want people to take us seriously. But if they just think you're a joke, you lose that credibility that you thought you once had. When the reality is with spirituality and extraterrestrials and UFOs, what it comes down to, in my opinion, cross the board is just, it's it's so fear-based. It's easier for me to laugh at you and discount everything that you're saying than it is for me to change my view of the world and potentially challenging my own belief systems.

SPEAKER_01 14:42

And I was thinking that while you were telling the first story and talking about the naysayers, and the question that came to mind was is it easier just to be a naysayer and pretend it's not happening than to confront the truth that's right in front of you? Right. To basically keep yourself small in order to keep yourself comfortable and in that comfort zone. It's very interesting. So very interesting. So I'm gonna ask the question and I'll answer it myself. Have you ever had any UFO alien UAP experiences? One, once. Do you want to share it? Do you feel comfortable sharing it?

SPEAKER_00 15:22

Yeah, I mean, I woke up in the middle of the night and there was something outside my bedroom. And this is when I lived in a two-story building, and I remember feeling frozen and unable to talk. And it felt like I was brought out the window. And I I like now that it's been so long, it's probab this is probably 15, 16 years ago at this point in time. Um, I remember there was a lot of bright lights, and I don't really remember anything from there, but I remember waking in my bed being very confused and trying to figure out what was happening, but it was just right outside this bright, bright, bright, like white light right outside my bedroom window. And I went to a friend of mine at the time who really did study, was was kind of very into UFOs and very tightly connected in the ufology world. And they took my story and they were like, no, we we definitely think you had an experience, but that was the only one that was it.

SPEAKER_01 16:29

Wow. Yours is more in depth than the story that I'm going to share that I that I've had. I've had a couple. One of them's a little bit tougher to deal with or talk about because I don't know, it's kind of personal. It feels kind of personal. But the one experience that I had happened in Arizona. I was in my home. It was the middle of the night, and I had gotten out of bed to go get some water. And I got the water out of the refrigerator and I was walking around and I was looking out the big window that overlooked our backyard and then beyond towards the lake. And I stepped in front of the window and my eyes caught something in the sky. And this seemed to move towards me. And I'm sitting there going, Oh my gosh, what is that? And you know, you have the window, and then you have the house there. So I kind of stepped not in front of the window, but my my back was plastered to the wall. And I'm thinking, this is it. This is the moment they say what happened to Michelle, because this thing is going to beam me up. And my heart was beating so fast. And I'm finally like, well, let's confront it. I stepped back in front of the window and it hovered there for a moment and then it left.

SPEAKER_00 17:51

Terrifying.

SPEAKER_01 17:52

It was terrifying. No, it was terrifying. It was triangle shaped, and there were three red lights on it. It didn't seem to be very big, or from my recall of it, it wasn't very big. And I went back into bed and had a hard time falling back asleep. And the next morning, the only evidence that I had that that experience really did happen was on my Fitbit. I went in and I looked at my resting heart rate. And at that time, it skyrocketed.

SPEAKER_00 18:18

Oh, I'm sure. Oh my goodness.

SPEAKER_01 18:21

Yeah. So that was really freaky. I will share that my husband sees things and sometimes he's like, I almost woke you up to come show you. I'm like, you should have. But there was one night we were sitting on the couch and he's like, What is that? That is just hovering. And I do have video of it. Oh, that's right. It doesn't move. It's just hovering in one spot for like 20 minutes. So that was really freaky. And the other one, the one that's kind of personal, I don't even know how to say this, but I feel like I have been probed. Oh no. Okay. In a way that is uncomfortable. And I've only felt it two or three times, and it feels different than anything I've ever experienced. And it's a burning. And I don't know, maybe it's just my body having a weird reaction to something, but it doesn't feel like that.

SPEAKER_00 19:10

Well, and and again, this is where you step into trust your gut, trust your instincts. We always say, you know, when we lead out of our episodes, you know, stay curious, trust what you know, trust yourself too. You wouldn't be just making that up. That's not something that you would be like, hey guys, I feel like this happened to me.

SPEAKER_01 19:29

No, it's so embarrassing to even say that because that does sound crazy. To say that to someone and say, I don't know what happened, but I'm having this experience. It doesn't feel right. I don't recall anything around it. Yeah. I just think it feels like I've been examined. That's not one people would willingly share. Because why would somebody say that willingly about themselves? And I'm sitting here thinking, I can edit this out because it is so embarrassing.

SPEAKER_00 20:00

I think there's so much validity in everything that you're saying, and that is the right word. It's it's a valid feeling.

SPEAKER_01 20:07

Exactly. And you know, it happened. It's happened three times. And I don't know. Because can they cloak our memories so we don't recall what happened, the fear of them coming in, the fear of being taken, examined, and we just wake up back in our bed? I don't know.

SPEAKER_00 20:25

I would think yes, it would make sense. They have the capability of traveling silently, then why wouldn't they have the ability to do essentially human experiments too?

SPEAKER_01 20:39

It is scary. And I do find it fascinating too that many people who talk about their experiences with alien life or extraterrestrials, it's mental. It's like there are no words coming from the being's mouth. Right. They're hearing communicate in your mind.

SPEAKER_00 20:57

In your head. Yeah. Yeah. And you're only thinking back and forth that actually you just validated my experience a little bit more because that's what I remembered. There were no conversations. It was all through this like mind connection.

SPEAKER_01 21:14

So do you think having the experience that you had and being raised in the area where you were raised, it shaped your personal beliefs and your ability to accept alien life or extraterrestrials?

SPEAKER_00 21:29

I think in a way it made me want to ask more questions and understand things more in depth. I think it helped me grow as a person. You realize how fragile we really are. And I think that's the the best way for me to explain it is you realize that humans are fragile. What about you?

SPEAKER_01 21:49

I would say my first experiences were more of something you would see in a movie, but over time and realizing how How small we actually are in the whole scheme of everything and how much our brain can hold compared to everything that's out there. I really think that I'm just open to what's out there. I know we are not the only things out there. I know that there are a lot of things we can explain. And I think my fear around that has shifted more into curiosity and beyond curiosity. It's not all fear-based anymore either in the fact that I don't think everything out there wants to hurt us. I think they want us to figure out how to survive and how to be and to help save the planet rather than destroy it.

SPEAKER_00 22:46

I absolutely agree with that. I think that, you know, one of the biggest things in my mind is why does everything have to be scary and bad? Realistically, you know, whatever these beings are could be here looking out for us in ways that we don't even realize. And I I I like to think that way as opposed to, oh, they're here just doing experiments on us and and you know, learning from, you know, learning from us, and that's it. Even if they are doing that, I don't think it's all of them. I think that, you know, there are different forms that extraterrestrials supposedly take. There are different forms that many people have seen in their encounters too. And I think based on that information, you're going to have people or things or whatever you want to call them, beings that are both doing good and, you know, potentially bad. But I like to say I guess I just like to believe that there are more better than worse.

SPEAKER_01 23:47

And I think in a universe as large and as expansive as where we are, you're gonna have the whole gamut. You're gonna have us and our civilization where we currently are. You're going to have civilizations that are way more advanced than we are, but there are gonna be some that are more Stone Age and where we were. So I think it all exists out there, and we're just part of something that we don't yet understand. Right. I agree with that. With everybody having phones, with everybody having something accessible, witnesses, other people seeing it, validating it, putting legs to it. I mean, more information is just going to come out. Absolutely.

SPEAKER_00 24:36

I absolutely agree with that.

SPEAKER_01 24:38

And here's a question because the government is releasing what it's choosing to release and present it in the way they're choosing to present it, which is saying there are things out there that we can't explain. And it's either technology from another civilization or perhaps it's technology from another place on our world. But how do you think human beings would take it if we did actually have proof of extraterrestrial life? If we actually had seen a being, or it was proved there are beings. Do you think people really want that? And do you think people can really handle that?

SPEAKER_00 25:19

So this is where I step into my sadness of humanity. I think that it would be like Shrek. I think we would go hunting. And that would be our first instinct is how do we get rid of these things that we don't understand? They don't belong here. I think, and I don't think everybody would do it. I think as like just looking at human perspective and what we tend to do as a humanity is we tend to try to get rid of the things that we don't understand, and that would be my that would be my thought.

SPEAKER_01 25:54

Oh my gosh, and what comes to mind is that scene in the beast, when they don't understand the beast, I'm referring to Beauty and the Beast and they go hunting for it. That breaks my heart. But there's validity there.

SPEAKER_00 26:11

Yeah. I mean, there's a reason that it's projected and shown in so many different movies.

SPEAKER_01 26:17

Yeah. And I think people would want to know, but I don't know that they could handle it once they knew. Yeah. Because there's always the fear of the unknown. Well, we do know this, but what does that mean down the road?

SPEAKER_00 26:29

Right. I was gonna say, yeah, there are theories, there are some pretty intense ideas that we have had presidents in the past in our history that have actually made agreements with extraterrestrials for the reasons of studying humans. Wow. It just keeps getting deeper.

SPEAKER_01 26:50

Well, you picked an awesome topic, Michelle. I love this topic and not a two-and-done, probably, as more information continues to come out, as more experiences are shared, as we watch everything evolve from both the military side and the everyday person side, there's gonna be a trove of information to go through. And there still is, like we are scratching the surface.

SPEAKER_00 27:15

Barely. Yeah, barely scratching the surface. I think I think there's so much more out there that that I would I would be really, really intrigued to learn about.

SPEAKER_01 27:25

Yeah, I know a lot of people think where reincarnation is concerned that we don't only reincarnate on this life, too, that it is possible some of us are from other galaxies or places.

SPEAKER_00 27:38

And we're all Australians, or you know, we are like those beings that we're talking about right now. I mean, why not? Why can't that be possible?

SPEAKER_01 27:47

Yeah, anything is possible. And I know when I give my faith talk and I'm talking, I thank God for my guides, my loved ones who have passed, the energies that are for my greatest and highest good, for those energies I don't understand because I don't want to call them aliens because to them maybe we're aliens. That's just a human term. Right. Right. So that's important to remember. I love that actually. Yeah. Say, do you have questions today? I do. I'm not gonna struggle over them today. But the first question, very easy one, do you think we're alone? The second question is, are you really ready to know the answer to that question? Third one is, what do you think would change if extraterrestrial life was confirmed?

SPEAKER_00 28:35

Those are really good questions. You've got me pondering it. I mean, I feel like we've already answered at least one of them. I because I think we you and I stand on a somewhat you know, measured front of I don't think we're alone.

SPEAKER_01 28:48

And when you think about how are we gonna handle it if it's proven to be true, like I can speculate all I want. I'm not in those shoes yet.

SPEAKER_00 28:55

Well, I mean, I don't think anything would really change in my life if we found out it was real, other than I'm gonna keep living, unless an alien comes and swoops me up tomorrow for some crazy, you know, reason. Why would it change how I live my life?

SPEAKER_01 29:10

Exactly. Because reports of them have been around for a really long time. At least since the 60s, but I know before that. Oh, definitely, definitely. Well, Stacy, do you want to close this episode out? Absolutely. Stay curious, everybody. Trust what you know, and we will meet you along the spiritual byway. Until next time, everybody. Bye. Bye. Thank you so much. Thank you so much for taking the time to be here with us. Wherever you are, you're journey right now. Just know, you're not alone. We're here for you, and we're all in this together.