The Vault: A Skeptic's Journey: Encountering the Spirit World

SPEAKER_01 0:00

Hi everyone, on this week's episode of Three Cups and a Dash of Spirituality, we are going to be going back in time and opening up our vault to an episode we recorded in October of 2024. Times have changed, but this is a great episode, so we hope you enjoy it. And we'll be back next week with something completely brand new. Hey everyone, welcome to this week's episode of Three Cups and a Dash of Spirituality. And today I'm here with Stacy. Hi, Stacy. Hello, everybody. Hello. Did you notice I didn't mention Carissa? I know it's so weird. It is so weird. Three cups and a dash of spirituality is getting ready to change. And so I thought maybe we'd jump into a couple of those changes and then move on with our topic today.

SPEAKER_02 0:52

So I can share that we are expanding to four episodes a month instead of just our two.

SPEAKER_01 0:56

Exactly. And I will share that what that looks like is at least two of the episodes a month. You'll have all three of us cups, dishes, whatever you want to call us. And two of those episodes will be a little bit different. We're kind of playing with it to see how that's gonna flow. I know right now we have one meditation with Carissa scheduled per month, which is really awesome. You guys have heard her voice. It's sexy, it's soothing, like all those things that you want in a meditation. And then the other one we're kind of playing with. Maybe we'll do guests, maybe we'll do haunted locations.

SPEAKER_02 1:35

I don't know exactly how that fourth episode looks. It might be different every month, which is what kind of makes it even more fun.

SPEAKER_01 1:42

Right. And you may have one of us, or you may have three of us, or there may be five of us. You never know what you might find on that extra episode. It's very exciting. We also appreciate feedback and listener stories because we have an upper extra episode now, so you know.

SPEAKER_02 1:58

Listener stories, listener questions, everything. We love it. Throw it at us.

SPEAKER_01 2:02

Well, today we're throwing something else at the listeners because not only are we expanding our episodes per month, we're expanding the three cups and a dash of spirituality family. Yeah, a little bit. You're getting married October 31st.

SPEAKER_02 2:16

And I think this is is this coming out before or after? This is coming out this week.

SPEAKER_01 2:20

Oh like a couple days, so before. So you're still fiancés right now. Yes. Yes, we are. But would you like to introduce your fiance, Stacey? With us today is Steve.

SPEAKER_00 2:32

Hello.

SPEAKER_01 2:32

Hey Steve, how are you?

SPEAKER_00 2:34

I'm good. How are you?

SPEAKER_01 2:35

Good. I love how you look so relaxed, like you're meant to be here.

SPEAKER_00 2:39

Thank you. He has no idea what he's doing, and it's great. I have no idea what I'm in for.

SPEAKER_02 2:45

You know, newbie's status is good. It keeps you on your toes, right? It's okay. I have an emotional support pickle for him. I don't need a pickle.

SPEAKER_01 2:53

And you got a skeleton in the other room. Pickles is going to inside.

SPEAKER_02 2:59

It's it's a hard life story. Yeah.

SPEAKER_01 3:01

Like I don't want to grill you, but I'm going to because I have questions that I want to ask. Is that okay?

SPEAKER_00 3:07

Yeah.

SPEAKER_01 3:08

Okay. So the first question that I have, and I actually have them written down. How did you first learn that your fiance was a medium? And what was your initial reaction?

SPEAKER_00 3:20

So I learned because she told me. And I've always been very skeptical about this type of thing. And I once had someone ask me, like, do you believe in it? And I said, She believes in it, and that's all I need. I'll support her no matter what. I think I got less skeptical when I had her reach out to well, I didn't have her reach out. She somehow reached out to a really good friend of mine that I had lost in a motorcycle accident. And her entire sentence structure changed. She wasn't wording the ways things Stacy does. She was wording the things the way he did, and a lot more swearing than she normally does, but she did a lot. And she never knew him or met him. She didn't even know what he looked like. So it was mind-blowing for her sentence structure to completely change.

SPEAKER_01 4:11

Right. What a wonderful affirmation for you, too, that he's watching from beyond.

SPEAKER_02 4:18

Yeah.

SPEAKER_01 4:18

Yeah. Stacy has done that for me also. We've had several experiences where she's been able to step in and really connect and help me out in my personal life too. So it is very validating and makes you think like there's something there. So I the next question you kind of already answered, which was before meeting your fiance, what was your stance on spirituality? Which you thought it was like whatever. The next question is have you yourself ever had any personal experiences with the paranormal or spiritual realm?

SPEAKER_00 4:50

I guess the answer is yes. Okay. But I'm like I said, I'm very skeptical. I'm still having a hard time kind of accepting this stuff. But yeah, since I was a little kid, I've had what I thought were nightmares, a shadowy figure who would follow me everywhere, like everywhere I moved. I went through foster care. I did a lot of moving. And I explained it to Stacey one day, and it was never like a simple dream. It was always a series of dreams where I would see him at the end of the road, then at the end of my driveway, then outside my window, then be in my room. And I would wake up in between or be actual multiple nights of this. And he would always try and take me, but he could never touch me. Like every time he got near me, like he needed my permission to touch me. It was extremely strange. And it was always scary. And I'd have full on, I'd wake up screaming while I was having the dream. I couldn't scream and I couldn't move. I was stuck and I'd want help and I couldn't get for help. I couldn't get help at all. And I'd be like begging people around me to help me, and nobody could. And then I'd wake up screaming and it'd be gone and then it would happen a couple nights later.

SPEAKER_01 6:02

Oh wow. So it was always in that sleep state.

SPEAKER_00 6:06

Yes.

SPEAKER_02 6:07

Which is when we are most open to spiritual experiences. So weird.

SPEAKER_01 6:12

Yeah, exactly. We don't have all those external influences coming in, people talking to you, demands on time. It's actually where you can just go into your most authentic state of self and have those experiences. Do you feel like it was always the same shadow figure, or were they multiple different ones?

SPEAKER_00 6:31

Oh, the one shadow figure always felt like the same person. I don't know how to explain it. It was just a feeling I got when I would see him. Like I said, I never saw his face. I saw his eyes once and they looked like dried fish eyes. I don't know if that makes any sense, but like I never saw facial features or like anything like that. But I've had other experiences. I used to live with some friends and we lost power one night. We lived in the middle of the woods and we lost power and I couldn't sleep that night because there was a fox running around the room in my dream, and I kept waking up. A couple nights later, Stacy was over, and we found out the people who used to own the house stuffed animals for a living, like animals that people at home was a taxidermist and would stuff animals in the basement where I was sleeping all the time. So somehow animals have always come through. I had an ex-girlfriend and I spent the night at her house and I was kicking the bed and she said, What are you doing? I said, I'm trying to get the cat off the bed. And she said, We don't own a cat. Their cat had died a couple years previous to me ever coming over. So somehow I've always animals have always come through, which is weird because I never thought about ghost animals ever existing. To me, these are always just weird nightmares that I had.

SPEAKER_01 7:36

Wow. I've only had a few experiences where I was sitting there and it felt like there was a dog sitting next to my leg, but there was nothing there. So I've only had them in the waking state. Have you had any of these experiences in the waking state?

SPEAKER_00 7:52

I don't really, I don't know. It's really difficult to talk about because it's like this whole strange world, right? Like that a lot of people don't believe exist. And then the more you talk about it and realize it may really exist, it's kind of scary because it means that, you know, when I was in my one of my foster homes and the old man in the bathroom used to yell at me, he was probably really there, right? Like it wasn't just me having this nightmare that my foster parents would yell at me for for scaring their kids in the boss room, right? Like it was I was probably actually seeing something that nobody else could, which is scary as heck. I've definitely had moments where I've been wide awake and I've been like in my bed reading a book or whatever, even as a kid. And you ever feel like a dog jump in your bed, right? And like the blankets sink down from the way of the dog as it lays down. I could watch the blankets sink down. And I was without it was just in my head. Like my, you know, I had one foster family say my imagination was insane, and I could come with these crazy stories, and no one ever believed me, right? They were just stories and I'm imagination, and maybe uh you have some sort of psychosis where you see these things, but no one ever like listened and explained to me what it could be until Stacy. And the more she talked, the more I didn't like it because it sounded real, and I didn't want it to be real. I wanted it to be this made up world that you know I would enter, but you know, she made it very real, and that's scary because that means there might have been an actual spiritual thing following me, maybe intending harm, my entire life. And I was just told to take medication and it would go away. And maybe that wasn't the solution.

SPEAKER_01 9:33

Right. It is so overwhelming when you start to open up and realize all those things that you catch out of the side of your vision or those things you think you hear actually might really be there. I mean, it really is an overwhelming feeling, and more people are open to it now than they were in the past. And then finding those people you can talk to about it. I know my awakening started in a dream just like yours, but I was with my grandma. And to know that I was there and I was hugging her and I could smell her and I could feel her, and then waking up and things going on in the room around me, I it was overwhelming. So I can get, I get where you're coming from. And you've had these from a really young age. I imagine that was really difficult to sort through as you went through each stage of your life.

SPEAKER_00 10:22

It was. And, you know, going to foster care, they'd always say, Oh, it's just trauma, you know, it's just he's gone through trauma as a child. So he's just got this world he escapes you. I remember very clearly one dream I had. I don't really remember the dream, but I remember waking up because I started in the clouds and I spiraled like in a circle. I felt myself circling and I landed back in my own body. Like I could see my body going into my body, if that makes any sense. And then I sat right up and it was insane. And like I felt dizzy, I felt like I was gonna puke, and it was crazy to me because I'd never I felt like it was the first time I ever woke up from something, like it was weird.

SPEAKER_01 11:03

Right. Stacy and I have talked a lot about astral travel. Have you talked to him about that, Stacy?

SPEAKER_00 11:08

And she's tried, it's very difficult.

SPEAKER_01 11:12

Yeah, no, I when I first opened up, astral travel fascinated me. I wanted to try it, I was open to it. I asked for it. And that first night that it almost happened, it is like they say, it got a little bit loud. I could feel myself getting pulled up. And I'm like, no, no, no, no, no, you have to come back. So I stopped it. And then the next time when it actually did happen, I left my body. I could feel myself flying around seeing all these wonderful things. And then I was like, but how do I get back? And in that instant, I was back in my body.

SPEAKER_00 11:46

See, I saw such a crazy I saw the roof of the house. And like I saw myself like spiraling down, like I felt like I was spinning. I went through the roof, like into my bedroom. It was this insane experience. And once again, try to tell my father, a different foster parents at the time about it, and they're like, It's just a dream, you know. And then I told Stacy about it, and she was like, I don't know. She was she she has a word for it that I have no idea what it is right now. I don't know what it is.

SPEAKER_02 12:10

Intuitive. That's the one an intuitive too.

SPEAKER_00 12:13

She also says, like, I was talking to her, like, I get she had things about people and situations. I'm like, this situation is not gonna end good for this person, and then it doesn't, and it happens a lot, and it happens with simple things like shaking someone's hand. I'll shake someone's hand and be like, this person has you know something either really good or really bad gonna happen in the short future, and then it does. And she's like, Has that happened to you? I'm like, my entire life, my entire life I've been able to do that.

SPEAKER_02 12:41

Well, it it's really interesting though to actually listen to you talk about a lot of these experiences too, because one of the things that I think that we do without realizing it is we take them and we brush them under the rug because it's easier to say, well, oh, that's your trauma talking. Well, oh, that's this that that just happened. That's it's just a dream because we don't want to actually face what might be happening realistically.

SPEAKER_01 13:03

Yeah, what might be happening just seems so scary and again overwhelming. And all your life, people are like, nope, that's not happening. It's your imagination. Nope, that didn't happen. Keep it to yourself. All those words that and kids are told.

SPEAKER_02 13:17

Yeah. And and what is even more interesting to me, listening to your story kind of all in one sitting, kind of like this, is all of us have something that happened that kind of opened our eyes to the spiritual realm, so to speak. And for the majority of us, it was scary.

SPEAKER_01 13:37

It was. I mean, the whole process of opening up is raising your vibration to a higher level. And I thought it was gonna be all rainbows and unicorns and so wonderful. I'm raising my vibration. I'm gonna be a better person. I'm a lot calmer, the anxiety is gone. But then there's everything else that goes with it, like when it slows down. Why is it slowing down? I don't understand this when you lose friends because of it. They like it. But you have to wade through the shit, so to speak. Like it's it's not easy. Yeah, but I think the word intuitive is spot on, like hearing this conversation with you or having this conversation with you, and hearing your words, being intuitive, being psychic, knowing, like touching somebody's hand that something's gonna happen. I mean, that's an amazing gift. Do you feel like it is?

SPEAKER_00 14:27

I think it depends on what you foresee happening. There are things that I that is true.

SPEAKER_01 14:32

That is true.

SPEAKER_00 14:33

There are definitely things I don't want to see. I think, kind of backing up a little bit, which kind of solidified my idea that this psychic world exists was I'm gonna be kind of too much information here, but I had to go in for a colonoscopy. And the friend I lost was very rugged and absurd with the way he talked. And I had a dream when I was under the anesthesia, and he said, I always need you like things up your bum in the dream. And I woke up and I was like, I was talking to Stacey about it, I was like, I had this crazy dream about him. And the more I thought about it, what killed me was there was no background. The background was entirely black, and he was just standing there wearing his old sweatshirt and his old hat, like he used to be. And it was like it wasn't, I just knew it wasn't a dream. Like there was no, because when you dream, there's usually things around you, right? Like there's rooms and there was nothing. The background was completely black, and it was just him, and I could smell the marb lights and the mud light on him, and I could just, it was like he was there. And I when I taught when I realized that, I was like, holy crap, like this this is real. Like, there's no more being skeptical, there's no more wondering if this you know, there's a way to connect. Like, he came to me in a moment where I was super anxious and super scared and made a joke, like he always did, and he was so there in a way I couldn't even imagine.

SPEAKER_02 15:53

Well, I I'll never forget that because you went in and you were actually really anxious about that appointment. But afterwards, when he told me about it, I was like, Yeah, it really happened. And he's like, No, I don't believe you. Call somebody that you know, call a psychic friend of yours. And I think we spoke to you and Carissa about that occurrence.

SPEAKER_01 16:10

You did. And what I will share, when you were asking about it, immediately I got the head swipe. Like someone took their hand and went like right through my head, and that's confirmation for me. So I knew immediately that happened. But what I also what also happened is that night when I went to sleep, he did show up again. I didn't ask for him to come, but he gave me like a sound that was a part of his name. I could hear certain things, like trying to get your attention. And so I asked Stacy, and everything I asked her about, she was able to confirm. And I had no idea who this guy was. I just know he was there for you and he was wanting Stacy to tap in and help you through this. Yeah, and he's he's quite frequently there. So yeah, I bet he is. So a little while ago, Steve, you were talking about coming back into your body. Do you remember what it felt like physically? Like, did you hear a thump?

SPEAKER_00 17:03

When I landed, it felt like like a jolt of electricity within my body, almost like I sat right up and I felt more wide awake than I have been in a long time. Like, I just remember being a kid and just being like, holy crap, like where'd I go? I felt like I was somewhere else the entire time. Like it felt like I'd been out of my body the entire time and it just felt like I came home. But I feel like it's really hard to explain what it was like to like wake up and feel like you came from a different dimension.

SPEAKER_02 17:29

Well, do you know the crappy thing about that? What is the experience will be different for every individual that has it?

SPEAKER_01 17:35

That's true. But while he's talking, I'm thinking about all those times I start to doze off, and then there's that jolt, like I'm coming back into my body. I there's no other way to explain it.

SPEAKER_00 17:45

It is that it's just like jarring.

SPEAKER_01 17:47

And so I know exactly what you're talking about. And I'm always wondering, like, where have I been?

SPEAKER_00 17:53

Or and then never being able to explain it to anybody in my entire life. Like everyone just going, I was a weird dream. Oh, that's crazy. And then for someone or people, as you guys, to be like, I think you left your body. Like there was other times where it where I would wake up, and I know everyone wakes up sometimes and don't know where they are, but like I would wake up and like feel like I had been somewhere else, and I would be extremely confused as to how I got where I was or why I was there. It felt like I had been anywhere else.

SPEAKER_01 18:24

And I can only compare that to sometimes I fall asleep and I know my guides are working with me. Like I physically am like talking to them, like, yes, this makes sense, this makes sense. And the closer I get to consciousness, the more it fades. But I knew I was somewhere, I knew I learned a lesson, but I couldn't remember what it was. And it did leave me like feeling pretty frustrated. For you, after having that experiences, those experiences, do you feel exhilarated? Do you feel tired? Do you feel how do you feel?

SPEAKER_00 18:56

Depends on the circumstance. I don't know how to say this without sounding extremely crazy. When I go somewhere happy, I come back happy. But if I go somewhere sad, I come back sad and tired and just feel drained.

SPEAKER_01 19:11

Okay.

SPEAKER_00 19:12

And it's hard to explain, but like I have these very vivid dreams of people who are I knew at any point in my life. And when I come back from those, like sometimes I go back to like a really negative experience, and it feels like I relived it. So I will go to places that I was as a child, okay? And I'll relive the same feelings I had there. And what'll happen in my dream is like I'll be standing in a front yard of a friend's house. And maybe while I was at that friend's house, uh, we had a fight, right? And I walk outside, like get away from the friend, and I'll go back to that place and I'll feel what I felt when I was standing there, but I'll realize something different in the dream. Like there was a spirit or a person there. And I don't know if this makes sense to you, but it's like I go back to these places and realize that at these times somebody was watching out for me when I was emotionally distressed, and I don't know who it was, but in the dream I can see like a figure of them.

SPEAKER_02 20:17

Doesn't it sound very similar to your experiences, Michelle, with um a lot of the serial killer stuff that you end up working with, where you end up going back to those spaces and finding like something that was missed?

SPEAKER_01 20:27

It does. It sounds a lot like that, or going back and doing almost a little bit of a life review. And at this time, when you go into the life review or to those places, you're feeling the same things, but you're knowing that you're watched over too, which maybe is helping to heal these traumas.

SPEAKER_00 20:45

Yeah, I never expected like so. Like sometimes I'll just like show up in a yard, right? And I'm like, I know this yard, I don't know who lives here, I don't know where this house is, I don't know what town I'm in, what state I'm in. I don't know really where I am, but I know I've been here. And then there's one yard of the tire swing that I have no idea where this house is because I went foster care, I moved states, like I didn't just stay in one state um because I was adopted and moved through states and then back to foster care. So, but there's one yard of the tire swing, and I can like it. I go there often, and I used to hate going there when I was younger. Like I'd wake up, I'd go in the dream, I'd force myself to wake up. But now as an adult, when I go there, there's there's peace in this yard. There is a voice that's kind of there that's very calming and soothing, and almost like I was safe in that yard. At some point in time in my life where I wasn't safe around me, that yard was safe. But not because it was just a safe place, but because something was there. There was something in the spiritual world that was there taking care of me. And it's weird as an adult to look back, especially after going through the skeptical phase of is the spiritual world real and see that in these situations there was something there.

SPEAKER_01 22:00

Understand that I'm getting a little bit emotional because when I started the process, it's all about finding that safe space for you when you get overwhelmed or when you're remote viewing. You have to have that safe space to go back. And for me, I sat with it and then all of a sudden it came to me. I did recognize the place, but I know I can go there and everyone's protecting me. And that sounds like what you've you found too. So anytime in your waking days, too, now that you know that space, you can kind of go there, maybe ground yourself and find that peace there too.

SPEAKER_00 22:33

One of the craziest things was I used to have nightmares almost every night about spirits, I guess is the word for it now. But I used to have nightmares about like people, especially like scary-looking ones, like trying to come into my house or my room or my area wherever I was sleeping. And Stacy said, Tell them no. And at first I was like, whatever. And like it got to the point where I somehow built a door in my brain, and they had to knock on the door to come in.

SPEAKER_01 23:04

Okay.

SPEAKER_00 23:05

And like I've literally opened the door and been like, nah, and then closed it. And like, or there are times where I just don't open. And it's weird because at first I was like, this isn't spiritual stuff, this is just a skill I learned in therapy, you know, like about about controlling my emotions. But then, like, then where you think about it, it's people I've never met. Like, I don't recognize any of these people, like, I can't put a face to them, I can't put a name to them. And when I do talk to them, they talk about things that I know nothing about, you know, and I don't know really what they're coming to me for, but they seem to just talk and then leave and what I'm supposed to do with it. But sometimes that's all they need. But it's weird that I somehow control who comes in and I can just and the shadow figure has been gone for like three months now. Like I haven't seen him in like three months, which is the longest period that I've ever gone without seeing him.

SPEAKER_01 23:56

That's absolutely wonderful because you're learning to set boundaries and you're doing it in a way that makes sense to you. I mean, everybody does it differently. Some people put barriers around their body, but just having that there in your third eye and opening it when you're ready to open it. And when you don't, it's closed off. And I do want to say too, Stacy is a badass. I'm hearing you talk about her and having her there in your corner. Like I'm sure she shares so much with you and is giving you some wonderful advice. Stacy, in your opinion, what is the best advice you've given him, or what is the advice you give him the most?

SPEAKER_02 24:32

I think one of the things that we talk a lot about is protecting our own energy and you know, not letting other people into our, you know, energetic fields. And that's one I remember early on when we were talking about the shadow dude, I was like, listen, bro's not getting into this house. I have protections up, like it's not happening. He's not allowed here, like that it's just not happening. And it was shortly thereafter that I think you stopped seeing him.

SPEAKER_00 24:56

No, it was shortly after that I woke up in the middle of the night and said, He's here. And you said, and I don't know if you knew I was awake, but I was wide awake, and I said, There is something here, and you said pretty much F this, and you went and did something with smoke and something, and got rid of it. Yeah, that was it. Yeah, like he pretty much came in and I think he spoke to me that night. I think he said, You can't get rid of me. And then I don't know what Stacy did or what happened, but I mean it was the middle of the night, and it was the first time I had woken up in the middle of the night from this and tried to talk to somebody and they listened to what I was saying, and was just like he's here, like I know he's here, and she was like, No, we're not, we're not doing this. And she walked and she came back and she took a piece of jewelry that I always wear, which is a bracelet from a memory of my best friend that I lost, and she did something to it, and I put it on, and she I don't know what it's called. She had like a thing that was smoking, and she walked around the house with it, and that was it. I think that was the night that it ended.

SPEAKER_02 26:00

Oh, I was working with my guides and obviously guardian angels and stuff like that, and I did what they told me to. Honestly, it's it's interesting that you bring it up in such detail because I don't remember, like I remember it, but I don't remember everything that was done. But that's what happens when we're in an intuitive space, though, right? Is when we are kind of in it, we don't necessarily remember, you know, readings and stuff that you do because you're just so in the moment. But I do remember that night.

SPEAKER_00 26:28

That was it. That was the last night I ever saw him.

SPEAKER_01 26:30

I think he the last night you ever saw him. Was it the first night he ever talked to you where he said you're not getting rid of me or anything?

SPEAKER_00 26:37

No, I think it was the first time he read words. Normally he just grabbed me, well, not grabbed me, but tried to grab me. I always felt like I was being pulled out of my body whenever he was around, if that makes sense. Like something about him was like taking me from me and bringing me to him. And I'd have like nightmares, right? Where like one night I was at a buddy's house and I was sleeping on the couch, and the couch was up against the wall, and on the outside of the wall was the outside, like it was right up against the outside wall. And he was on the outside wall, and I felt like he was trying to pull me through the wall and into him. And I woke up and like covered in sweat, completely panicked.

SPEAKER_01 27:11

Yeah, no, definitely strange. And one other thing you mentioned, and I don't know a lot about it. I know we talk about it in a future episode, is sleep paralysis. Did you experience that when he was around too, where you couldn't physically move or you couldn't move, I couldn't scream, I couldn't do anything.

SPEAKER_00 27:29

And every time I woke up from it, I was extremely thirsty.

SPEAKER_01 27:33

Oh, that thirsty aspect that has a lot to do with like astral travels. Isn't that interesting? Yeah, that is very interesting.

SPEAKER_00 27:40

Chug a bottle of water, like thirsty.

SPEAKER_01 27:44

Well, I know that you have the exact right person with you helping you day to day. I know you help her too, and so there's probably a lot of wonderful balance going on there. I think so.

SPEAKER_00 27:55

I hope so.

SPEAKER_01 27:56

I can see it. I'm just watching, and you know, people say I'm an empath, so and I'm picking up good energies.

SPEAKER_00 28:02

Well, there's like I tell, you know, somebody asked how'd I know Stacy was the one? And my response is I looked right at them and I said, if you can't see it, you never will.

SPEAKER_01 28:12

I do have one more question.

SPEAKER_00 28:15

No, I'm ready for the question.

SPEAKER_01 28:17

Okay, so here's the one question I have for you. So, what's the one question you've always wanted to ask a spirit, but never had the chance?

SPEAKER_00 28:26

Like just any spirit?

SPEAKER_01 28:28

Yeah. Is there a question or curiosity you have?

SPEAKER_00 28:32

Uh I don't know. Let me think about that for a second.

SPEAKER_02 28:35

I mean, I I think I would want to know more about like life as a spirit. Like, what is it like being able to check in on everybody? I like that answer.

SPEAKER_01 28:46

Or what the death process really is. Like what does that life review feel like? And how often can spirits really stay behind without having to cross over? And do they have a choice in it? Should they have a choice in it?

SPEAKER_00 29:00

You know, you could ask your typical questions, no offense, guys. Like, what's a spirit world like? You know, what is death like? You know, does it hurt? Stuff like that. But I don't know. I don't know if the spirit would have the answer, but I feel like somehow they're more knowledgeable about people and things than we are. I feel like somehow they've connected to it. And I think I want to know, like honestly, as weird as it sounds, I think I want to know why some people are so kind and why others hurt people all the time. If there's some sort of connection to the afterlife that makes people crueler than other people, and I would just really like to know that.

SPEAKER_02 29:42

Well, I it's interesting that you say that because I I'm gonna just say that I feel like the answer to that question is is it it makes sense that there is some sort of connection because we are here for experiences. So when you have somebody that's cruel, they have to relive, supposedly, they have to relive all of those moments in the death process. So they go through and they learn from that cruelty or that kindness and see how it affects everybody. I think you and I have talked about that spiritual aspect of it.

SPEAKER_00 30:10

I think so.

SPEAKER_01 30:12

Yep, being there for the experience to have the experience. And I know you're new to all this, new to moving beyond skepticism, but you're pretty advanced. You're pretty in tune with how everything is going on. You have wonderful questions and your journey's just beginning. I'm really excited for you.

SPEAKER_00 30:33

Thank you.

SPEAKER_01 30:34

And I really hope you'll come back and chat with us again. I think I will. Okay.

SPEAKER_00 30:39

I think more than death, the thing I fear the most is being unkind, is whether you believe in afterlife, whatever you believe in reincarnation. I just I always want to be a kind person. I think the worst thing on earth would be to come back as a cruel person. I think that would destroy me.

SPEAKER_01 30:56

And I think you and I go hand in hand there because I can't think of any worse thing someone could say to me other than you're unkind, you're not a nice person, because I live my life to be kind because it's contagious and it makes the world and universe a better place. But it would kill me if someone were to say that I wasn't nice. I agree.

SPEAKER_02 31:17

I wholeheartedly agree. Now, Michelle, I have a question that has nothing to do with Steve for you because our first like off-kilter episode. How are we closing out? Oh, yeah, because Carissa's not here. Yeah.

SPEAKER_00 31:30

I didn't even want to close out.

SPEAKER_02 31:31

I say stay classy. She and Carissa says stay sassy. And Michelle says stay badassy. So now it's just confusion. Or we could just have Steve say stay sassy.

SPEAKER_01 31:44

You know, or we could just say thanks for tuning in again, four episodes a month. We're so excited about this change. And if you have questions, concerns, stories to share, you know where to find us. Stay classy. Stay badassy. And thank you so much, Steve. I've enjoyed getting to know you a little bit better. Thanks for making our happy with you. Thank you for listening to this week's episode of Three Cups and a Dash of Spirituality. If you'd like what you heard, please know that we have a full library of episodes now available on your favorite podcasting platform. You can listen to it now or you can download it to listen to later. Also, if you'd like to give us a review, we'd appreciate it. We love connecting with listeners and thank you in advance.