Reincarnation and the Stories We Carry

SPEAKER_01 0:00

Hey everyone, on this week's episode of Whispers from the Mist, Conversations from the Spiritual Byway, we are diving into the idea of reincarnation, what it is, how it's been understood across different cultures, and why it continues to spark so much curiosity. From there, we're gonna move into a powerful real life case that was featured in the show The Ghost Inside My Child. This is a fascinating look at children and what appear to be reincarnated memories. From there, we're gonna open the door to deeper questions, personal reflections, and what this could mean in all our lives. So make yourself comfortable because this is a conversation. We're gonna continue along the spiritual byway.

SPEAKER_00 1:02

Hello, Stacy. How are you?

SPEAKER_01 1:05

I'm good. How are you? I'm doing well. I'm a little thrown off because I'm traveling right now and I'm not in my normal recording space, but it's good. We're gonna make it work.

SPEAKER_00 1:16

Oh, definitely. I mean, you and I are both a little discombobulated today. I'm I'm gonna be honest with you, because I I'm shifting my technology quite a bit and I'm recording from my phone, which is not something that I think I've ever done before.

SPEAKER_01 1:28

Okay, well, we're gonna see if it works. So bear with us in case there's any echoes or things outside of our control right now. There we go. But spring has sprung.

SPEAKER_00 1:41

Somewhat. At least, you know, a little bit here. It's it's definitely we're getting a day or two good versus the dredge of winter.

SPEAKER_01 1:50

So yeah, it's uh changing of seasons. It's the death card in tarot, it's transformation. Love it. I love it. You see where I'm going with this? I'm trying to lead you down a trail. Are we talking about reincarnation? We are. So when I think of reincarnation, it's basically birth, death, and rebirth. But that's what they think in Eastern cultures, such as Hinduism and Buddhism. That reincarnation is really just playing out that karma cycle. You're born, you die, and you're reborn. And where you go in your next life has everything to do with the karma that you've accumulated in the life that you're living now.

SPEAKER_00 2:43

It's an interesting ideology, isn't it? It it basically is this almost lesson in if you do well in this life, you're going to be reincarnated into something just as good, if not better, in in the future.

SPEAKER_01 3:00

And if you don't, then you're gonna have a more difficult life or you're gonna meet some challenges to repay the debt of the karma that you caused. Now, do you have a good definition for karma?

SPEAKER_00 3:15

The way I've always understood karma to be is essentially an energy that comes back to you in response to actions that you have done or created.

SPEAKER_01 3:27

That's correct. It's basically the universal principle of cause and effect, where your own actions will determine what happens next. It really goes to the whole adage, what comes around goes around. It basically is saying your intent matters. Intent matters. I love that. Intention, again, it's so important. That is a word that we keep highlighting throughout all of our podcasts. And again, karma is what it's all about in Eastern ways of thinking, Eastern cultures. And their goal is to move beyond being reborn, being reincarnated in order to be reconnected to the divine self. I love that. I know it's just such a different way of thinking and reflecting back in my own story. Like, I guess I learned about the different religions when I was younger, and I've done some research over the years. But Carissa and I went to New Orleans last October, or maybe it's two Octobers ago now, and we had an experience in which the reader, who we thought we were going to a seance, but the reader basically said that our life right now on Earth was paying back karma we'd caused in previous lives. And she put together this whole story, and it really freaked me out. But now I can kind of see maybe what her background was. What do you think? Well, it had to be Eastern because it was all about repaying the karma. And I know the different religions, Hinduism, Buddhism, all of them, they are slightly different, but basically it's that cyclical.

SPEAKER_00 5:18

Do you think understanding that helps you understand the reading a little bit better? I think it does.

SPEAKER_01 5:25

The intention behind the reading, I understand better because at the time it just freaked me out because who I am now has nothing to do with this person she was explaining. Then you get to Western cultures over here where we are in the US, and uh it's different because reincarnation when you look at spiritualities such as Judaism and Christianity is really about life, death, judgment. Life, death, heaven. Like they don't talk about reincarnation or the possibility of it.

SPEAKER_00 6:05

They really don't, which is very interesting to me, especially because there are so many documented cases of reincarnation where, you know, uh I'm gonna just use this as an example, but like a grandfather would pass away, and then a child would be born within a period of time, like even a year later, and remember things from the grandfather's life that nobody shared with the child, or is able to speak to certain things in in life that nobody else, nobody taught them, which is always really fascinating.

SPEAKER_01 6:39

Incredibly fascinating. And I had that happen in my own family, where I had my gramps, who we've talked about in a previous episode, and a family member. They were on a drive and they got out somewhere, and the other person he was with said, Do you remember last time we were here? And the two of them had never been there together. Really? Grandpa and his brother, who had been in this area together, and a memory he didn't share with other people. And yet this little person that was with him was able to remember it and talk about it. That's really cool. It is really cool. And I I do wish, well, I'm not gonna say even say I do wish, because we have those religious beliefs, but we also have this new age thinking coming up. We have scientific research coming in to look into the idea of reincarnation. So it's not as frowned upon or as taboo as it used to be. And so with that in mind, you know, I've really been thinking a lot about kids, because that's usually the vessel that we can start talking about reincarnation because it comes in so naturally, because of course they're the closest to the veil, they're the closest to having made soul contracts. They haven't had society yet tell them that it's not okay to talk about that or they're wrong, or you know what I'm saying.

SPEAKER_00 8:13

Well, not not only those facts, which I agree with fully, but we also have this sense of innocence within children who don't realize yet that it is quote unquote taboo to talk about these things, or we we don't bring these things up, you know, that's not normal. And and I say normal in like a very broad spectrum, because what really is normal? If this is your experience, it's your experience. But it's I think reincarnation or the idea of coming back to life for a lot of adults who are hearing this from a child, it's scary. They don't know what to do with the information, you know?

SPEAKER_01 8:56

It's jarring. And, you know, a child, as you said, is just being. And if they haven't forgotten everything, if they weren't completely wiped clean their programming, they're gonna come back and they're gonna have information and it's gonna present itself in so many different ways. Like they may have wisdom beyond their years. Yeah, they may have natural talents that come through and show up, and no explanation for why this child is able to do this. They're gonna have memories of times and places and people that don't sync up in the current day. Right. They could have, I don't know, scars or birthmarks that are unexplainable, but maybe they start talking about how they passed and all of a sudden it makes sense. And, you know, they might have fears. Like, why would this child have this fear when they've never been introduced to sharks? Why are they all of a sudden afraid of sharks? And it's just like this evidence, it builds and builds and builds on each other and tell there's a story. And I think it's fascinating. I agree. So where I'm gonna jump with this right now is I found this series, and the series is called The Ghost Inside My Child. It was filmed in 2013, and there are two seasons of this. And it can be found on Prime, it can be found on Apple, Netflix, Fandango for a cost. But these episodes have everything to do with the stories of kids, experiences they have, and how the parents react to them. And since I don't have a case story of my own to share, I don't have someone that I know who's gone through this. I think I'm gonna talk about one of the episodes, and then people can go watch this for themselves because I think this is a very valuable tool for parents who maybe are going through this and they have no answer or nowhere to turn and they don't know what to do with this and they think they're alone. Because as parents, we want to support our kids. We want to love them, to help them. And when you have a child who A doesn't feel like they fit into their current life, B, they're acting out, they're aggressive, they're frustrated. I mean, you you want to help them and you don't want them to be judged. So if it's okay, I'm gonna share this little case story, please just jump in and look. I'm ready for it. Okay, and we'll see how it all kind of like reflects back into what we've been talking about. But this one was found in episode one, season one. And yes, I have watched other episodes. I just didn't cherry pick this one, but this one stuck with me because the parents were able to put the clues together, validate, and find a way to help the child. So that's why I picked this one. But it was a little bit That's really cool. It is really cool. The story is just fascinating to me. So there was this little boy, and his name in this life was Eric. He was born to parents who had tried for years to get pregnant, had a miscarriage, and then finally had him. And at about a year and a half old, he started having nightmares just out of the blue. And a little bit disconcerting when you have a child who every night is waking up with nightmares that they can't really talk about yet and no explanation to. I remember the mom in the episode, her name was Jennifer, saying, I didn't sleep a night straight through for years. So you have this child who's having these experiences traumatizing. You have parents who are trying to help and are exhausted and just wanting to know what's going on with their child. So with Eric and his night terrors, he was also a child who hit every benchmark in his development early, and he could speak in full sentences. So really quite a remarkable young man. Then these things started to happen. And I remember them talking about an event when he was about to turn three years old, I believe. And he kept asking his parents, well, when is my birthday? When is my birthday? And they're like, It's June 21st. And he's like, No, it's not, it's June 26th. And the mom's like, No, it's June 21st. And he would get really upset and be like, No, it's June 26th. So that was one of the things that happened. Another thing that happened is his name was Eric Cole, C-O-L-E. And he always used to pronounce it Eric Co. And his mom's like, No, it's not Co, it's Cole. And he goes, No, it's Co. And it was named after my mommy. And oh, she's like, Well, that's really strange. She knew that wasn't her maiden name. So she's like, Okay, well, I don't know where this is coming from. And then somewhere along the lines, he heard her name was Jennifer, and he's like, Well, that was my baby's name, or that was my daughter's name, is what he said. So, right there we have a birth date. That's interesting. Yeah, it's interesting. We have a birth date, we have a name, we have another name and a family relationship. As he got older, he started to say his night terrors were about being crushed. Oh, interesting. So we we have that piece of information. And the parents, they're keeping track. They're like, this is strange. They're keeping track because his behavior is becoming more and more. I don't know if it was withdrawn, but agitated, frustrated because he has all these memories. And one more memory that he really had was Hollywood. He wanted to go to Hollywood. And I mean, they're from a small place in Illinois, and he keeps talking about Hollywood. And again, he was a young child. And as the mom said in the episode, she really controlled what he watched and what he was exposed to, and there was nothing that she knew of when he was in their care that could bring this to mind. So one night they were talking because the dad finally was like, Well, maybe he's remembering a past life. So, how incredible is it for that young man that his dad had the foresight to see maybe this is something more and maybe to expand our horizon. I mean, it may, it tears me up because this is 2013. It's not mainstream to talk about past lives. And so he started asking him the questions about Hollywood, like, you want to go to Hollywood, but why? And he's like, Well, I work there. I had to provide for my family. And the dad said, Well, were you an actor in Hollywood? And he's like, No, not an actor. And he's like, a director, and he's like, No, not a director. And he goes, Were you a writer? And he's like, Yes, I was a writer. So then what are the parents gonna do? They know he's from an earlier time. So they started throwing out old movies like Ben Her and other ones, and finally one of them threw out Gone with the Wind. He's like, Yes, I wrote counts. And so the mom, with all the pieces of information she had, she had a daughter's name, a birth date, gone with the wind, a writer, and the name, the middle name. So she went in, and sure enough, there was a writer named Sydney Co. C-O-E Howard. He had a daughter named Jennifer. He did win an award for Gone with the Wind, but he passed before the movie was actually released.

SPEAKER_00 17:14

Wow.

SPEAKER_01 17:15

And so they could tie back all this information. And I just think that's so incredible. Then these parents took the next step and they contacted the surviving daughters of Sydney. And Sydney was a male, and they invited him out to the family farm. And when he went out to the farm, he recognized like the pond. He knew the area. And so then they're like, Well, we're going to take him to where Sydney's buried. And when they arrived at the cemetery, the kid's like, Why am I here? And so then he walked right directly to where his headstone was. Oh, wow. I think that's just really a cool experience that this other family now that you're saying that we think your dad's our child. I mean, how awkward would that be? But they were open to it. And after that, the night terrors continued. So the mom took him to Hollywood. Uh, he went to a museum, got to sit with like props and stuff from Gone with the Wind, and then they stopped. And he was able to finally let go of that identity and start stepping into present time.

SPEAKER_00 18:17

Well, what is interesting about this is there are, you know, there are these ideas that when we step into really talking about reincarnation, one of the causes of like night terrors and things like that, it very well could be, I'm I'm gonna use unfinished business from life that's kind of coming up, or you just need to reconnect, is what it sounded like for this little dude. But the other thing that's really striking to me is psychologically, kids grow out of night terrors at some point, too. So it almost seems like this this was a growth milestone or a developmental milestone that he was hitting two at the same time. Like everything was unfolding the way it was supposed to, and it was lined up for these milestones. Does that make sense? It does.

SPEAKER_01 19:09

I love that he provided the clues that got them to the place where they could identify who he actually was. I'm sure in many cases you might not be able to narrow it down to the exact person, but you can get a pretty good idea of who it might be or time frame and be able to help that way. I love that they listened. They listened and they wanted to help and they were curious enough to stay on it. So that's the story that I wanted to share, kind of as a little bit of a case story. But again, if people are interested in this, or if you have a child who's going through something like this, even though the series was created in 2013, the stories are still valid. And just think of all the research that's happened since then. And the show really does feel like it was before its time because we weren't talking about this. And I'm sure parents who were experiencing this felt completely lost. And the show would be wonderful to them to know that they had a place to go where they weren't alone.

SPEAKER_00 20:17

So go watch it. It's I I'm gonna have to watch it. I and and I like I'm I'm sitting here going, This is definitely going to be on my watch list because I remember researching and spending a lot of time when I was in high school and researching reincarnation because I was fascinated by it. But all of the information that I was able to provide at my local library, and yes, I did go to the library physically in person to do the research. I'm dating myself now, but they didn't have very much new information. It was, it was years and years old, even when I was in high school. So finding more, more examples and stories, even from 2013, is not bad. That's only 13 years ago.

SPEAKER_01 20:59

It did bring up a lot of questions for me, though, that I thought maybe we could discuss between us. The first one being why do you think so many people today are drawn to the idea of reincarnation?

SPEAKER_00 21:15

I think the reason so many people are drawn to the idea is because it means that there's something after we die. And I think I'm I'm a of the personal belief system that what you believe in is what happens after your your body is no longer being used in this world. So if you believe in heaven or hell, you know, that's kind of what you're walking into. Or if you believe in nothing and when your life is over, it's just over, you know, there's potential that that could happen. That's very sad to me. But I think the idea of reincarnation means hey, we get another chance. We get another chance.

SPEAKER_01 21:52

And I kind of sit with you in that same space as I want to continue. I don't want to feel like I'm I just have been here once, had these amazing experiences, these hard experiences. And then I go to heaven and that's where I remain. And I I feel like we each have lessons to learn. So I really do like the idea of continuing on. And I'm not going to say they're kar karmic lessons or karma lessons at all. I'm just going to say there's so much out there that we're not going to have the ex all the experiences in one life. There's just more that than that can be contained in these however many years.

SPEAKER_00 22:37

And I stand, I kind of stand with you on that one because I I also believe that we are here for certain experiences. Even the bad ones, bad ones, the good ones, the, you know, all of the different things that we go through. I think that, you know, predominantly we are in our human bodies for each and every experience that we walk through.

SPEAKER_01 22:56

Exactly. And I don't want to live in the fear of just ending. I like the idea of continuing on and learning. And I mean, this is such a jumping point into soul contracts and soul groups and meeting my loved ones again in different forms and in different roles. I mean, we can go so far down this rabbit hole. It's way beyond this episode. But, you know, I do believe we have soul groups and we come back sometimes with some of them. Sometimes someone in our soul group can be one of our guides. Right. I it's just all so fascinating to me. So that was one of the questions I had, but I'm not going to go into soul contracts. We'll do that in another episode. How about this current life? And this one is something I'm so curious about. Do you think we will have an opportunity to redo this life and fix what we think we got wrong?

SPEAKER_00 23:50

That is a really, really good question. I hope not, because I think all of the things that I got wrong led me to right where I'm supposed to be. So I don't really believe that I got them wrong.

SPEAKER_01 24:02

And I love that we're having this conversation right now because I never would have thought of it from those terms. I think of it from the fact or from the vantage point of I kind of love where I am right now and I love the person I am. And you're right. Every experience I have had has made me this person. But would I want to redo? Would I want to revisit Michelle? I think so. I think I would want to come back and see how to do it better.

SPEAKER_00 24:31

Or just differently. Or differently. Switch switch things up. I mean, I I think in that capacity, you're not going to be the Michelle that you are, though. You know, and I think that's that's the the changes. Yeah, Stacy's pretty cool. I'd like to revisit her, certainly. But she's not going to be the same Stacy if I make different choices.

SPEAKER_01 24:50

That is true.

SPEAKER_00 24:51

That's true.

SPEAKER_01 24:52

Um, okay, here's the next question. And this one is even confusing on how to put into words to ask. So when we think of past lives, do you think that is only lives in the past? Or do you think past lives can be lives that were lived in the future?

SPEAKER_00 25:13

So, you know, this is where we step into the whole time continuum and blah blah blah. I um I think everything's happening all at the same time. So I think our past lives, our future lives, our current lives, I think they're all kind of happening simultaneously. So our spirit is just kind of split amongst them. So I don't, I don't think that there's a way to separate them. I think that's why sometimes other lives bleed into ours and why reincarnation kind of pops up is because those lives on the, on that, you know, sandwich of a timeline that we're living in bleed into the current, present life that we're we're experiencing. Does that make sense? It makes sense.

SPEAKER_01 25:55

So do you think something we're doing in our life now, our current life as Michelle or Stacy, affects our other lives?

SPEAKER_00 26:04

I I think it would take a lot. It would have to be something major. I I I do believe in ripple effects, even, you know, despite like I I'm trying to explain how how my brain is working is I think, oh, so if I'm in a car accident in this life and it impacts my ability to live and move forward in this life, I think that it would ripple across the lives, maybe not impacting them in any way, but maybe, you know, it it just maybe they'll have a nightmare about being in some sort of accident, or maybe, you know, it it ripples in that capacity. It doesn't change their lives or impact it significantly, unless it's kind of like the the reincarnation story that we were talking, you know, Eric, he there was something in in the past in that life, in that other life that he was experiencing that he had to work through in a different life. We do have the ability, like through Reiki and healing, to heal our other lives as well. So if there's something that is casting a shadow, for example, over the rest of our lives, we might be able to go back and remove that energetically to shift things. But I don't think our actions, our daily actions, are the things that impact all of the other lives. Does that make any sense whatsoever?

SPEAKER_01 27:24

It does make sense to me. And my very next question was gonna be are lives linear or simultaneous? And you kind of already answer that. I will say early on, before I opened up spiritually, I believed in reincarnation or I had hoped for reincarnation because I wanted to live on and have other experiences, but very limited in my thought of what those experiences would be. I never saw myself a different sex, I never saw myself in a different part of the world or anything like that. So very limited, I know. But I always considered past lives or something that has have already been lived, not in the future. And so this whole time thing since opening up spiritually really blows my mind. Yes, yes. I just see it as a spiral that has all these little wheels, like a whipping wheel. And then, like once you think you have something figured out, the next layer comes on. And it is quite overwhelming, actually. So it just really truly does blow my mind. And before I have one more question before we move on to closing this episode out. How do you think deja vu is connected to past lives? Or do you think it's something completely different?

SPEAKER_00 28:45

That is another really good question. You're giving me really stump, stumpable questions today. I don't think deja vu has anything to do with past lives or future lives. I think it has to do with the the idea that there is no time, that time is non-existent, and we're seeing blips of what we're what we are doing on the line. Like a slight, you know, remember when we were talking to the gentleman and he was explaining like time could be seen as like a loaf of bread? Yes, Jeremy Carr from Monster Lord tour.

unknown 29:20

Uh-huh.

SPEAKER_00 29:21

Yeah, yeah. And I I I guess my my thought is with deja vu is perhaps we we're we are utilizing this really long piece of bread, but it's different flavors of of bread, and maybe you have a seed that is too early and you've cut that slice, so you have that piece of deja vu happening, but it actually happens in the future. Does that make sense? Somewhat it makes sense.

SPEAKER_01 29:48

I mean my definition, yeah. My definition is much it's just living a moment that you feel like you've lived before, which would lend to my idea that maybe we get a redo in this life, but I don't think that's what it is. I just yeah, that familiar I can't that is a word I cannot say. Familiarity. Yeah. Familiarity, yeah. Well, do you have any other questions or thoughts on reincarnation? I mean, I think again, we are just touching the tip of this iceberg.

SPEAKER_00 30:19

Absolutely. We, I mean, there's so much more, I think, to it than just even one episode, but it would be it's it's a great conversation to have.

SPEAKER_01 30:30

And it would be completely overwhelming to jump weigh into it before I have this time for this episode to settle, if that makes sense. Yeah. I think I need to wrap my mind around some of the things we talked about, even though we're pretty much in sync on things, but there are still a few reincarnation questions that I'm pondering. So okay, well, I do have three questions for our listeners. So the first question for our listeners is Have you ever experienced a person or a place that instantly felt familiar to you, even though you couldn't explain why? The second question is, do you believe we live more than one life or that our soul continues in some way beyond this lifetime? And the third question is, what does the idea of karma or life lessons mean to you? I know it means to me I better be on my best behavior and be playing my A plus game because yeah, karma's a bitch. That's what they say.

SPEAKER_00 31:38

Karma can certainly be a bitch. Those are great questions.

SPEAKER_01 31:41

But the best part is karma can be both good and bad. You can earn positive karma or negative karma. So it's not always a bad thing. It is true. Okay. Well, I know we're getting ready to close out, but this is an arc episode. So it's in our previous episode, we talked about prophecies and predictions. This episode has been about reincarnation. And our next one is gonna be talking about another time-related question or subject, which is time travel. I love it. I love it too. But again, it gets my mind spiraling. That whip and wheel is back out. And as soon as I think I got my hands on something, it changes or another factor is added in. I love it. It's, I mean, you're not wrong. Well, Stacy, do you want to close this episode out? Absolutely. Stay curious. Trust what you know, and we will meet you on the spiritual byway. Bye everyone.

SPEAKER_00 32:41

Bye everyone.

SPEAKER_01 32:48

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