Lucid Dreaming vs Astral Projections

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On this week's episode of Three Cups and a Dash of Spirituality, I have given the ladies a challenge. How did we do? What can we learn from it? Stay tuned. Now roll the music. Hi everyone, and welcome back to Three Cups and a Dash of Spirituality podcast. I am Michelle and I'm here today with the beautiful Stacy. Hey Stacy, how are you?

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Hi, Michelle. I'm good. How are you?

SPEAKER_01 0:32

I'm doing very well. And how about you, Carissa? Hi. Hello, hello. I'm doing pretty well. That is my last hello, hello of 2023, probably.

SPEAKER_02 0:43

Yep.

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And moving on to a new year, new things. Are y'all ready?

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Nope.

SPEAKER_02 0:50

I'm ready.

SPEAKER_00 0:51

No, you're not ready. No, nope. I'm never ready for New Year's. I mean I am, but I'm not. So well, I I know we talked about it a little bit, but I'm I'm wrapping up the classes for my PhD program. And that means like I mean, as we're starting all up in January, I've only got four classes left.

SPEAKER_01 1:10

It's a lot of work, but we're gonna have a um a lot to celebrate too.

SPEAKER_02 1:15

Oh, we are celebrating.

SPEAKER_01 1:18

Yeah, I do have to ask you guys make it up to midnight because I never do.

SPEAKER_00 1:23

So last year we did. Last year we went to a New Year's party, which is why we stayed up, but no, not uh no.

SPEAKER_01 1:33

No, I like to call my New Year's an East Coast New Year and I'm in mountain, so it's like 10 o'clock. If I'm lucky, I'm still awake watching the ball drop in New York.

SPEAKER_02 1:44

Do you know one time what we did? We watched the ball drop in London.

SPEAKER_03 1:49

I mean, it works, right? It works, yeah.

SPEAKER_02 1:52

It was great because then we're done by 6:30, 6 o'clock, because it was 12 o'clock.

SPEAKER_01 1:58

That is really great. So, ladies, would you like to share with the listeners a recent experiment that we tried? Oh boy, man. Yeah, I'm just throwing you right out there, Carissa.

SPEAKER_02 2:14

Man, I didn't like it the first night. What's it called? Lucid dreaming. Is this what we did? Is that what it's called?

SPEAKER_00 2:22

Astral traveling, lucid dreaming, because we were traveling to meet each other, so that would be astral, right?

SPEAKER_01 2:29

It would be astral. Lucid dreaming and astral travel, there or astral projection, they're actually a little bit different. Lucid dreaming is waking up while you're dreaming and realizing you're in a dream and being able kind of to orchestrate everything that goes on in the dream. Whereas astral travel, your physical body is where you left it, and your spiritual body travels free of human form. Those are the differences between the two, the most basic way I can put it. Stay safe.

SPEAKER_00 2:57

That was so impressive. I have to ask, if you have it written in front of you. I do not have it written in front of me.

SPEAKER_01 3:04

It just happens to be something I am super interested in. And I have Astral projected, Astral travel consciously a couple times, but I never know when it's gonna happen. I don't know what's gonna trigger it to happen, but it is a really cool experience.

SPEAKER_02 3:22

So Michelle was like, All right, we're all gonna meet in our dreams. And I'm thinking, oh boy, man, I like my space. I like my hotel-owned hotel room. We all know that by now, and I like my space. So I said, okay, fine. Michelle, you said we're gonna meet with an item. That first night for me, I had a dream that there was so many people in my house. It's like my unconscious was trying to like figure this out. Like, what is going on? Because dreams are metaphors, and it was like there's so many people in my house, and I couldn't get them out. Not that I would love to have y'all in my house, but unconsciously in my house. I don't know about that in my brain. And then I saw me and Michelle talking. The weird thing is, I could not hear it. It's almost like I'm observing through a and it there wasn't a window there, but it was like there was a window there. And I thought that was weird. The second night, and I can't, I this is an FMO, I can't fully explain it, but it's like I was there, I was on the couch and I was zoning in and out, and I my brain went to fall asleep, and I saw black Converse just standing like on the edge of this little puddle of water. It's not a big puddle of water, it's a little puddle of water, and then no one came through, and it was Stacy, Stacy, and it freaked me out because I've never experienced anything like this, to where I woke up and I was like, mm-mm, no, thank you, no, thank you. Texted y'all the next morning, Stacy. Do you have black Converse? Yes, and I was like, Well, I don't want to see anything else in your life.

SPEAKER_01 4:56

Yeah, that's what you said is you didn't want to walk into our bedroom while we were in a compromising position with our spouse. You said it a little bit not that clean, but that was the gist.

SPEAKER_02 5:06

I like so Michelle and I are getting complained, and we're gonna start researching this because I, you know, I'm very I am cynical, I need facts, and it's was a very strange and jarring experience. And I think last night I had cut it out. I mean, I think I was like, okay, I'll set the intention, but probably 70% of myself was like, no, I need no.

SPEAKER_01 5:29

So the exercise was meeting on the astral plane. Each of us were going to bring an object with us so the other person could say what the object was to kind of prove that we were there. And we were gonna do it over a three night period. And I think all of us, one of those nights, I know I did, I had to take an ambient because I could not fall asleep. My mind was so incredibly busy. And then I had experiences the other two nights, which we'll get into. How about you, Stacey?

SPEAKER_00 6:00

Well, the first night definitely I feel like I was in and out. I set the intention, and you know, I I think I stepped into both of your energies at one point in time. I was awake and not awake, and so it was kind of jumbled. The second night, I may or may not have had too much to drink. I was like, what? I was leaving it. You know, I'm like, what is the tea sound? Where are we going with this? Still set the intention. Um, so if I saw y'all on the second night, I don't know if I would remember it anyways. Last night though, I slept like the dead. So I set the intention before I went to sleep. And I know I woke up a few times, but last night I don't even recall anything. And it was like I slept so soundly that even if I had had an experience, I don't think I would remember it. I gotta ask, did you wear your black Converse Friday?

SPEAKER_03 6:48

No, you don't remember.

SPEAKER_00 6:50

You did you do or you don't? I do. I was I'm it's too cold here right now for Converse. Oh, okay.

SPEAKER_01 6:56

Here's what I found so interesting about this experience. We are intuitive, we are psychic, we have the mediumistic qualities. So we're taking that and having to morph it into a different modality. And I struggled a little bit with that. The first night that I did this, I had to take an ambient. Um, but I felt like you were all around me. And I asked Krista the next day. She and I'm like, just tell me if I'm on the right track. Please tell me. And she says, okay. I said, well, when I was in there, I felt like a silky, like a scarf or a blanket or something. Would that make sense? And instead of saying yes or no, she's like, No, I have my journal with me. I'm like, oh, okay. And I said, the internal part is intuitively, I was gonna bring my journal. And I thought, I bet Carissa will have her journal.

SPEAKER_02 7:48

Well, no, my journal is what I I thought I said, it's like that makes sense because my journal, I like special paper or like very silky, thin. I don't like regular paper.

SPEAKER_00 8:00

Did you have a connection, Stacey? I brought a key on a ribbon. Like I very intentionally brought a gold key that had a ribbon attached. So whenever you said silky, something like that, that's the ribbon that's attached to the key that I that's really cool.

SPEAKER_01 8:16

Okay. Maybe we're on to something because I immediately jumped into like the whole journal thing going, this isn't an intuition exercise, Michelle. You're not supposed to be tapping in psychically, you're supposed to be going there. So I just found that very interesting how we're pulling it from a different area. But Krissa, I do have a little bit kind of how Stacy just talked about the key and the ribbon. You were talking about Stacy being in there, the black converse and the puddle water. I brought a teddy bear with uh rain boots on. And I would lay down at night and hold him to me and say exactly why I'm bringing him in. It's my intent. Put a light around him. And when you said that about the rain puddles, I'm like, rain boots.

SPEAKER_02 9:01

Oh my God. But here's okay, I get it. But here's now the part I don't get. So I have to figure this out. It's like I was right there.

SPEAKER_01 9:12

It will be. I mean, it's like sitting and having a conversation on the astral plane.

SPEAKER_00 9:18

I was gonna say, and that's why whenever you were talking about worrying about seeing us in in compromising positions, I was like, yeah, I don't think you necessarily need to worry about that because we're choosing a place to meet that's outside of reality. But yeah, like every time I was able to step into the energy, it was like I was there.

SPEAKER_01 9:36

And a lot of times you really won't remember. That's what I found. We all astral travel unconsciously. And I will tell you, when I unconsciously go into it, I kind of know as they're pulling me out because like I'm having a conversation and then I feel myself drifting further, further, further, further back. And then I open my eyes and I can't remember anything other than I was just worked with. And it is the strangest feeling. I did have an experience, my very first astral travel experience. They pulled me through my arm. I felt my energy leave and I was in like a train station or a shopping mall. I love to shop, so it probably was a shopping mall. So, and I'm floating and flying around going, This is so cool. I am free. I don't have a body to worry about. This is so cool. And then I stopped. I'm like, but how do I get back to my body? And as soon as I thought that, I was awake and back in my body. Because you're tethered, you're tethered.

SPEAKER_00 10:34

I started lucid dreaming really recently too, and actually having the ability to recall lucid dreaming. And I think the first time it happened, I remember being in this dream going, oh wait, I'm dreaming right now. And then everything kind of shifted. And it almost feels like you know, in those movies about like very futuristic movies when they jump dimensions and everything just goes like warped.

SPEAKER_03 10:58

Yeah.

SPEAKER_00 10:59

That's kind of like the scene that it took on. And I was like, Well, what do we want to play with? And I remember like very much intentionally going, I want to see this person, let's go here. But then my guides kind of pop through going, but we need to give you messages too. And so it's it's become very interesting because on top of the lucid dreaming, I'm getting these layers of intentional, I don't want to say premonitions, but information that's popping through that sometimes I wake up and I'm like, I don't know what to do with this right now. And I'm sorry, now I'm gonna share a little story. I had a dream about a little girl who had capabilities that I've never witnessed before. And in the dream, like she could basically destroy with her mind. And I I remember in the dream, I was everybody kept saying, Don't make her angry. And I was like, but she needs to pick up her blocks because they were all over the floor. And so every time she would start to just shake her head no and get really worked up, they would be like, No, you need to calm her back down. And I remember I woke up going, number one, that little girl is terrifying. Number two, what? Like, what what the hell? Later on in the day, I was talking to a very good friend of mine who also has psychic abilities. And lo and behold, she's been having a bit of a challenge with her daughter recently. And I the all of a sudden the dream popped up and I went, You need to work, start working with your daughter now because she is more powerful than you are, and she can break stuff. And she went, That makes sense. Like she she literally was like, actually, that makes a lot of sense. So it clicked, and and it's really bizarre how it's been happening. Wow.

SPEAKER_01 12:40

Yeah, no, that why is it always scary kids when we dream? Like I've had one too, and like it was a little boy, and he was just terrifying. And every time he opened his mouth, it was like the sound. And yeah, I was wanting to shriek and like just melt in the corner. It was terrifying.

SPEAKER_00 12:56

Terrifying. Little kids, and it just it was it was. I was like, I don't want to know this person.

SPEAKER_01 13:02

Well, I think when we like astral travel and everything, because as Carissa said, we're gonna all be like studying it. We want to learn more about it as a team, and so we're all gonna be working together, but it really is important that you know you have some safety practices put around it. You set an intention when you go, you go into it. I have to share this because it's not like tea or anything. But last night I went to bed. I share, you know, of course, bed with my husband, and he's still awake. And I said, I'm gonna put on this meditation. And I don't know if he thought I was kidding or what, but he's like, Well, what are you doing that for? I'm like, Well, I'm gonna astral travel. I'm gonna try and meet Stacy and Carissa out in the astral plane somewhere, and he goes, What does that mean? So I explained it to him. He goes, Michelle, if your soul leaves your body, you're dead. Like, you know that, right? So I'm already a little bit tense because like he's not getting it, he's in my space, his mouth is doing this. So I put on this meditation and it's is it Yoda Nidra? Yoga Nidra. Yoga Nitra, yeah, I got trained in that love. So there's a lot of astral travel videos through that method on YouTube. So I put one on and it's walking me through it, it's helping me focus like on each part of my body, and it he's being quiet until it gets to my leg. And they're like, and focus all your attention on your ankle. And he goes, Is she saying she wants to lick your ankle? What are you listening to? And I'm like, I'm done. I'm not even gonna try. I should have put headphones in, but like he was such a distraction, so you don't want that distraction going on when you're trying to astral travel because it will piss you off.

SPEAKER_02 14:44

Have him do uh Dr. Richard Miller, I rest, yoga nidra, and he I bet you that'll put him to sleep. Let Richard say it and and do it, and I bet you that'll put him to sleep, and then you can go off and travel amongst the stuff.

SPEAKER_00 15:01

You know what you just kind of prompted me to actually think about though, Michelle, is the past three nights where when I lay down, I'm setting this intention and I'm kind of closing my eyes and intentionally like really focusing on okay, I want to meet, you know, Michelle and Carissa in this astral space, yada, yada, yada. Every time that I've really set the intention, my dog has gotten up, circled around, and very much so laid directly on my legs. And she typically will lay up against my legs, but it it more so is like she'll drape her her head across my feet. And it it's almost like she's like, No, no, no, you need to stay. You need to stay here. And I just you just that clipped in my mind.

SPEAKER_01 15:43

And that's very interesting because I was going to ask you when we shared like what we brought into the astral plane with us, if it was your dog. She won't leave my side, so she was probably there. Oh yeah. We know yours was a ribbon with a key. Chris, what did you bring into the astral plane?

SPEAKER_02 15:59

Journal the first night, the second night, a candle.

SPEAKER_01 16:02

Very cool. It was a great experiment. We need to continue practicing. And again, like we're newbies. This is something we're beginning to learn. And I hate being the beginning learner at anything. So, like, I'm feeling a little vulnerable about it. And I was a little feeling a little vulnerable coming into this episode because I'm like, what if both of them could do it and they got exactly what I brought in, and I got nothing. So I stepped into the energy of like comparing myself, of feeling like doubtful.

SPEAKER_02 16:37

So and the interesting thing with your chart, Michelle, is you are an adventurer through and throughout. So that's so funny because it is adventure, adventure, adventure. So if you wanted to stop, you couldn't stop.

SPEAKER_01 16:54

Well, I feel boring, boring, boring.

SPEAKER_02 16:55

So no and spiritual and spiritual and intuitives in your chart. Like you can't stop the spirituality and you can't stop the adventure, and it's just so fast because you're like, next, next.

SPEAKER_01 17:10

So Carissa, since you're learning astrology, do you think in a future episode you might like go over our charts and show like what that feels like? I could, yeah.

SPEAKER_02 17:22

I want to tell listeners, like I am a newbie in learning astrology. Yeah, I've taken some trainings, it's a lifelong process.

SPEAKER_00 17:30

There's really a lot to it. There's so, so, so much to it.

SPEAKER_02 17:34

So, what I'd focus is on, focus on would be like, you know, the main points, positive stuff.

SPEAKER_01 17:40

Yeah, I've tried to step into learning astrology and I open the book. I'm like, nope, overwhelmed. It is overwhelmed, instantly overwhelmed. Yeah.

SPEAKER_00 17:49

Set it aside.

SPEAKER_02 17:51

I guarantee you, there is definitely something about research and teaching for Stacy. I guarantee it.

SPEAKER_00 17:58

Guarantee it. Interested to see that. That would actually be really cool. Actually, recently I had somebody chart me again. And I know my number one element is actually fire. Number two is water. And what like she was able to explain to me is what the fire element for me, it's that quick making decision, but it's also like really being intentionally like pushing yourself, propelling yourself forward because I may or may not be very much so like developing, developing, developing, developing. I'm going to learn, I'm going to branch out, and you know, all of those things along those lines. And so when she said that, I kind of I just started laughing. I was like, yeah, that that would be me intentionally like pushing myself way too much.

SPEAKER_01 18:42

That's fascinating. And I didn't know until I talked to Carissa that eastern and western astrology were so different because in Western astrology, I am air, fire, fire, but in eastern, it's the exact opposite. It's that earth energy and then water, water. So I'm like, what is that all about? That's so cool.

SPEAKER_02 19:04

It's it's so interesting though, too, because it just over like it's I think it's 19 to don't quote me, guys, 19 or 29 degrees. I think it's 19 degrees off, but they it's still they're very similar, even though the signs are off. They're very, very similar with the planets in the chart. It's really interesting.

SPEAKER_01 19:22

Maybe that speaks to like my duality. Is that the word of being a Gemini? The two signs.

SPEAKER_00 19:29

Maybe. You know, one of the things that just occurred to me is that what we forgot to do, we were gonna jump into this episode with a listener question, just to throw that out there.

SPEAKER_01 19:38

Okay, well, I've got two of them still. Anything else you want to say about astral travel before we wrap up the conversation or to be continued.

SPEAKER_00 19:48

So I know that you guys are kind of researching it and I might need to ride your tails a little bit for the research because I don't have a whole heck of a lot of time to put into that piece, but I'm game for trying it again. I think it would be fun. Well, we'll shelve it like a month or two down the road and revisit it. And just to make Carissa uncomfortable when we ask to travel, I'm gonna intentionally make it look like my bedroom.

SPEAKER_01 20:11

Are you? No, it's gonna make me uncomfortable too. I don't want to be in someone's bedroom. Like, does that ever freak you out when you're having like a private moment or something? Do you worry like there's a spirit there with you?

SPEAKER_00 20:25

Or I know they don't care, but it's like kind of like that's actually a really good question. And I will say no because I feel very strongly with my uh protection and you know, kind of the vibrations that I put out that I I feel like my guides, my my spirit, this any spirits that need help would give me space. And if they choose not to, then I'm so fully engrossed in the human that I wouldn't notice that they were there, anyways.

SPEAKER_02 20:51

Yeah. I used to. When all this stuff started happening, I'm like, well, they do give me privacy, right? And I'm sure, yeah. But it, I mean, my our I don't think our human brains can come actually comprehend what really happens when we transition, I mean, fully comprehend and what the other side is like. I really don't think our brains can fully understand. And I don't think we're supposed to. I think we'd probably explode.

SPEAKER_00 21:19

And and I'm gonna throw out there, I was less worried about that in the in the bedroom than I was actually about showering and going to the restroom. Like that was where I was more nervous because when you're showering and doing that stuff, you're alone. So if you're all of a sudden not alone, that's when I would get freaked out. But that's again, that's you making sure that you're protected and and you're that's I I don't worry about it anymore.

SPEAKER_01 21:43

Okay, that's good advice. I still sometimes think about it. And again, more so when I'm alone than like anything else. But yeah, I want my private moments, that time where I can decompress.

SPEAKER_02 21:53

So you know what else I too wonder if we are, I I do feel like we're gonna keep learning. More and more as the world and humans evolve. Because if you look at the 50s, the 60s, the 70s, the 80s, it's almost like we're you're able to take it a step deeper and see it differently, right? Do y'all agree?

SPEAKER_00 22:16

I agree. I I also will throw out there that it seems like over the past several months, the like I leading up to like Halloween, the veil was getting thinner and there was one point that I think I actually made the comment that it was thinner than I ever experienced it in my entire life. And then, you know, my guide kind of came through and he's like, and it's not gonna change. Like this is the way it's gonna be for quite a while. So that kind of ramps up the spirituality or the experiences or these kind of this growing of people stepping into the weird shit, going, what is going on? Like this is not something I've ever experienced. And it it makes it a little bit more interesting.

SPEAKER_02 22:58

And it seems like more people are open to it, and it seems like more people have more experiences nowadays.

SPEAKER_01 23:06

I agree. And I'm just wondering if I'm getting so comfortable with how things unfold and play for me that everything spiritually sounds very quiet because Stacey had talked about the veil being so thin. I'm like, yeah, for everybody but me, like I think they forgot me here and it's that stepping into doubt, or maybe they left me. It doesn't feel very good.

SPEAKER_00 23:25

So I definitely don't think that the veil is not thin for you. I I think that it's it's what you just said. I think that we do get more comfortable. And I think the only reason that I even really noticed it is because I was seeing it in sessions a lot, not with me, like going home, sitting on my couch. I wasn't seeing spirits everywhere, but stepping into sessions where I don't typically see spirits, I was kind of sitting back going, all right, we're surrounded. I can feel all of this energy like in this session, and that is how I was noticing it. So I, you know, but then I would go home and nothing. Does that make sense? Yeah, yeah. You weren't left out. I wasn't left out.

SPEAKER_02 24:06

Well, it feels like I was talking to you, and one of them, you and I were talking to have a conversation.

SPEAKER_01 24:12

I know, like I do, I do feel like on that middle night of that exercise that I definitely had a conversation with both of you. I do feel like that. I can't remember it because that's part of the training, and we're just beginning.

SPEAKER_00 24:25

And it's the middle night is where I was intoxicated, so I wouldn't remember it even if we were there.

SPEAKER_01 24:30

Yeah, I was gonna say you didn't make a whole lot of sense. No, I'm kidding. I I well, shall we take a listener question? Yay. Okay, so here's the question. It's on my phone, so I'm gonna have to read it. Um, I had a question for you. I listened to the episode on fear. I want to be more open to spirit, and I have been more closed off lately because life has been hectic. However, I find myself fearful to see and experience things at the same time. So, does that fear stem from childhood fears most of the time? Is that where the work needs to come from to reduce and eliminate fear?

SPEAKER_02 25:08

So they're afraid of stuck spirits.

SPEAKER_01 25:12

I believe that it's talking about just being fearful in general. Like they want to see it, but at the same time that maybe there's a point that something stepped into their awareness that caused fear or something. And so they're they kind of closed down to it.

SPEAKER_02 25:28

Well, I used to hide under the covers when this stuff started to happen. So I think it would be uh more rare to just jump right into it, and I think it'd be more common to be afraid, especially with all the program we got from society. And it's in I know humans to that place, but for someone just opening up and it's all of us human, you see them coming. A spirit could just be I'm here, I'm not here. So, or something moves over, and that that's kind of creepy, uh, you know, yeah.

SPEAKER_01 26:01

I agree, and kids are they're so naturally open to that until, as you said, society starts to play it down. No, you're not supposed to be seeing that. No, that's not right, that's not really there, and it instantly pushes you into fear because you're being told it's not there, but you're seeing it right in front of you. So you have a little bit of fear of something being wrong inside, but also like, well, what is a sin? Because nobody else sees it. And then you move into like pop culture, all the movies, what they say about all that. And it's just really finding your own way for and it was demonized.

SPEAKER_02 26:36

I mean, it's really like I grew up on poltergeist, and I know Chuck E. Cheese, Chuck E is silly, but and then the one movie with the dolls, and it was all very demonized. Like anything like that is a demon, they're not nice.

SPEAKER_00 26:53

So I'm coming at it from a little bit of a different angle because I used to be very fearful, and so I pretty much agree with everything you guys have said. Number one, I don't necessarily think it's something that you have to go back and deal with, uh, because that was a part of the question. Um, I know whenever I first started stepping into mediumship, I was terrified because I didn't want to see something. I I because of media, because of that portrayal, like Carissa just said, those movies that really make spirits out to be something that we don't really need to see them as. I mean, I I remember for me it was actually the sixth sense because I was terrified that I was gonna see somebody as they and I didn't want to wake up and and see somebody walking down the hall, you know, with with the covers over my head and see some bloody boots or something like that. I was terrified for that reason.

SPEAKER_02 27:44

And we don't see bloody boots or anything.

SPEAKER_00 27:46

No. Um, and that's and so that was the piece. Like I had to work through my fear. And in order to do that, I had to kind of accept that I had that fear within me and meditate through it. So my my whole process of meditating through that fear was I would sit in fear. I I would allow myself to step into that feeling and imagine my fear as kind of like an oily like substance that I would add sand to, sweep it up and throw it away. So that eventually I got to the point where my fear was easily swept to the side and I could see what was going on. And I learned, like, hey, you're not seeing people as they died. You are seeing people as typically they lived or as a light or as a vibration of themselves. And the majority of the time it's actually quite beautiful. Even if it's a stuck soul, or even if it's not a great personality, it's still actually even a little bit prettier than they were when they were living. And so it wasn't, I didn't have to go back to that trauma, that childhood piece where I got scared. I had to go, okay, I have fear. How do I move forward with that now?

SPEAKER_02 28:54

Yeah, it's like the four-year or the young, I don't know, four or five, six, I don't know exactly at the Driscoll. She's a cute little thing in this beautiful little ruffled dress. And she was not scary looking at all. She was sweet.

SPEAKER_01 29:09

And the first thing in any process of working through it is to acknowledge that it's there, as Stacy said. Acknowledge that you do have the fear and let it become a part of all rather than something that's separate and causes angst or that lower vibrational energy to enter in.

SPEAKER_00 29:26

And and I'll also throw out there that there are moments where I'm doing clearings that I still occasionally will step into fear, but that ability to acknowledge that and go, holy shit, that just happened. All right, okay, we're good. And then move forward. You know, it's it's just that acknowledgement that kind of empowers you to release and push through. You know, it's it's like the statement that I love. It's it's be scared, but do it anyway.

SPEAKER_01 29:54

Wow, that is perfect advice right now, Stacy. There you go, knocking it out of the park again. It's like you're intuitive or something, right? Okay, so we have one more question from a listener, and this one has to do with um helping souls, stuck souls transition. So here you go. Being new to helping stuck spirits transition or cross over, how do you know you didn't imagine the whole experience?

SPEAKER_02 30:20

Oh, that's a good question. Because we talked about that in the last episode, stay what Stacy was asking.

SPEAKER_00 30:28

If I felt different before and after, yes, and Chris, I believe you said no. No, y'all said that she felt a shift.

SPEAKER_02 30:35

So for me, when I first started doing the work, I would say, Well, what can you come back and tell me? You went over your can you, you know, because it was like it's there, you do it, and it poof, it's gone. So I think my experience, this is my experience, y'all share your experience. You're just gonna start understanding it over time where it's like, okay, like at the Driscoll, I have this little girl like pulling on me, pulling on me. And then when we cross her, then she's not pulling on me anymore. And I look around and I look and I look and I'm trying to feel it, and that nothing. It sometimes it's that subtle. How about for you, Stacy?

SPEAKER_00 31:15

Um, you know, I honestly like my my biggest question here is does it matter? I mean, at the end of the day, and your goal is to help somebody, does it matter if you made it up? Because it's not, I mean, you we we come to the table and we share stories of things that we experience. And you know, my goal is not to make you believe that I've had these experiences because they're my experiences, right? So if I help a soul cross over, and again, this good this goes back to my my statement last episode where I said, if I give somebody a hundred dollars that's really having a hard time in life, do I need to record it to let everybody know that it happened? Or can I simply do it and move on?

SPEAKER_02 32:00

I guess what was it like for you at the beginning, Stacey? Did you know immediately or did you question yourself?

SPEAKER_00 32:06

I still question myself, but that I think that that goes to to my point of, you know, at the end of the day, it does it doesn't necessarily have to matter, you know, like thinking what I hear you saying is critical thinking is important, but at the same time, if you're doing the good work and it feels right, who cares? Exactly. Exactly. You know, I uh and and I'll throw out an example that I I don't know if I shared with you guys, but I removed an attachment of somebody and it was like a generational attachment, like through lives. And I remember sitting on the phone with this woman explaining to her what happened and why the attachment was there. And she was like, No, that makes perfect sense. This has been happening in my life, this has been happening in my life, and it was all linked and it all actually made sense. And I hung up the phone and I sat back and I went, if anyone had been listening to that conversation that was not spiritually open, I they would think that I was fucking insane. And so at the end of the day, that's where I step into all of these experiences that I have. I'm I'm not doing it to prove that they're real to anybody. I am doing it to help that soul cross over and be at peace.

SPEAKER_01 33:21

That's a beautiful point of view or a beautiful way to look at it because I'm relatively new to the crossing over work. And whenever I can gather details while I'm crossing someone over, like maybe the manner of death, the surroundings, I will still go to the internet and try to validate it. And it's not for anybody else, but for me. And I don't know why I do that. Like I can't always do that. So I just have to trust the experience and that it happened because it felt like it happened to me. But then I feel fake if I go to a conversation like this and say, Oh, I crossed someone over because in the back of my mind, you know, I'm my ego's keeping me small. Did you really?

SPEAKER_02 34:04

You you are all about honesty. I am, and I mean, that's one big thing for you. So I can see that. And I think it's really important that we all three have different experiences physically and emotionally, so other listeners can connect with, because there's going to be many people that connect with you, many people that connect with me, many people that you know connect with Stacey, and it all feels so well I think it's lovely you're vulnerable. We're all being vulnerable.

SPEAKER_00 34:31

And I think it kind of links back to one of our very, very early episodes where we talked about, you know, how long we've had abilities and how long we've tapped in. Because I I will throw out there that it took me a very long time to get to the point that I'm at now, where if somebody tells me that I'm full of shit, I say, cool, that's your opinion. I don't need your, I don't need your validation. And I turn around and I walk away. And it doesn't hurt my feelings or make me feel like, oh man, I need to prove to you that this is real because I don't have the energy for that. But I also know that even six years ago, that was really challenging. And if somebody didn't believe me, I would immediately try to prove.

SPEAKER_02 35:18

And I'll be vulnerable. I'm afraid that I'll push people away with this kind of stuff because I used, I went through a period of being atheist, and it still pops up for me that oh my gosh, there's gonna be some someone I like, someone I care about, and they're just gonna walk away. And and it, it's I I understand it's nothing personal, but it'd be sad. In my profession as a therapist and supervisor, you know, when I do consultations for new postgrad uh supervisors, this kind of stuff. I said, listen, I just we are gonna keep these supervision sessions about therapy and psychological and psychoeducation. However, I do have this other life, this other part of me, and I am all about connecting the spiritual and the psychology world. And I know it scared some people, and it's kind of sad.

SPEAKER_01 36:13

It definitely is sad, but this conversation is so validating to me because it just reminds me that we're all wired differently and how we bring information into our system is all different. And when I say I'm asking for validation during crossing over, like, let's get real. I'm asking my guides to validate everything. Like, okay, that just happened, give me something more, which is so greedy and not the way to do it. I throw a little tantrum sometimes, but I'm learning too, and it's all a part of that process. And Krissa, I want to guarantee you, you can talk to me about anything. I'm not walking away from you, girl. Or Stacey.

SPEAKER_00 36:50

Yeah, no, I'm I'm not walking away. And Michelle, I'll also throw out to you that at some point your guide's just gonna start saying, Nope, you don't need it.

SPEAKER_01 36:59

And maybe we're at that point, maybe we're there, and that's why I feel like the veil has not thinned because they're like, please.

SPEAKER_00 37:06

Yeah, yeah. I mean, my guy, Simon, like I'll be I I will occasionally step into doubt up for something, and my hit the response that I get is literally him going like this. I just had the door closed in my face because now we're not gonna get anything, and you know, it's it's it's just weird.

SPEAKER_01 37:24

It's that ebb and flow. Remember that the universe has a plan, the universe has its timing, and we're just along for the ride. That's it.

SPEAKER_02 37:32

Yeah, and so I'm loving the ride. I'm loving the ride. This is fun.

SPEAKER_01 37:37

I'm loving it too. And we are riding right into 2024. The podcast, Three Cups and a Dash of Spirituality, has some fun things coming up, some changes coming up, but I'm gonna leave that as a teaser, kind of like our resolutions, which I don't really have any this year. No, I don't do resolutions. Okay, but you do start off our exit, so why don't you throw it out there? Stay classy, stay sassy, stay badassy. Happy New Year's, everyone, until next year. Happy New Year.