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SPEAKER_03 0:09

Hey everybody, it's Stacy with Three Cups and a Dash of Spirituality. Welcome to our very first episode. We wanted to take some time to introduce ourselves to you, so I am here with Michelle. Hi everyone. And Carissa. Hello there. Michelle, why don't you tell us a little bit about yourself first? Why am I always thrown under the bus first?

SPEAKER_00 0:34

Go for it. Go, Michelle.

SPEAKER_02 0:36

Okay. Well, I like my cheerleaders, not only in this podcast, but in life, so I'm very grateful for both of you. But I will tell you a little bit about myself. My name is Michelle Millen, and I'm from the Western United States. I am an emotional intuitive and I am an empath.

SPEAKER_03 0:56

Uh-uh.

SPEAKER_02 0:57

Yeah, yeah, I really, really am. And it's been a tough journey to get to that point where I could actually say it out loud to anyone. So this is pushing my boundaries a little bit, this podcast, but I'm so incredibly excited about it. In addition to those things, I'm also a children's book author. And I have another podcast, believe it or not, even as I trip over my words today.

SPEAKER_03 1:25

Well, I know I can speak for Carissa and myself, which is why I threw you under the bus very like first and foremost, because we are so grateful that you've really taken the helm and gotten us running.

SPEAKER_02 1:36

Yes, I do have a little bit of experience with OJO, and I kind of know the process a little bit, but in life, you guys have been teachers to me also and taken the lead. So I'm very grateful for that and excited about this podcast. It's going to be a lot of fun.

SPEAKER_03 1:54

For sure. I agree.

SPEAKER_01 1:56

And with that, Carissa, let's hear about the. Hello. So Carissa Kano, intuitive psychotherapist, supervisor, psychic medium, living in Austin, Texas. With Michelle, too. It took me a while to be able to say psychic medium. Because looking back on my life, you know, I would call myself a stubborn psychic because I ran away from the ability, but at the same time, I was very intrigued by it. And you may say, well, why? What why? Why is that? Well, I mean, you hear scary stories when you're kids, you have your religious upbringing, and which I think you too can contest to this, that you could just feel lonely because you're different, right? And it's challenging to accept and trust something we don't fully understand. But we all met in the Sage Method program for the intuitive development training. And as I studied consciousness in college, I realized that as long as you have a consciousness, you have intuition. So therefore, all of y'all are intuitive. And then that made me relax and be more open. Like I wasn't different, I wasn't alone because that was my childhood story, right? But I'm excited to do this podcast and share my journey with everyone and have fun.

SPEAKER_02 3:11

And what did you call yourself again, Carissa? What type of psychic medium?

SPEAKER_01 3:17

So I don't really have a label. I just call them connection sessions, where I hold space for them to correct connect directly with their loved ones so they can feel them, see them, experience them, versus like a traditional medium, they just relay the messages. So and then that organically happened.

SPEAKER_02 3:35

Yes, but no in your introduction there, you called yourself uh scared. Not scared.

SPEAKER_00 3:41

Oh, I see what you're saying. A stubborn psychic. A stubborn psychic.

SPEAKER_02 3:44

Yes, that's what it was. You're the stubborn psychic, I'm the clueless psychic. And what are you, Stacy?

SPEAKER_03 3:51

I was just gonna say, I'm as normal as they come. I don't know what you guys are talking about. I am yeah, you know, I I guess I'm gonna say I'm I'm the lifelong. Um, if I had to label it, you know, I I would say I'm I'm the lifelong, you know, psychic because I've been doing, I've been in this, in the the trenches essentially for so, so, so long. And I guess with that, I'll say, hi, everybody. My name is Stacy Nestor. I feel like I'm in some sort of support group right now. You always support us, so you're not hard. Um, so I am also a psychic medium. I have been reading and and doing reading since I was about 13 years old. I had a few experiences when I was very young, and I really did my I tried my darndest to shut down any of the abilities that I have because it was scary and I didn't understand what was happening. But fast forward to now, I'm actually a PhD student. I have a background in psychology, and I I'm fascinated by, you know, consciousness, like Carissa just said a moment ago. I do life coaching with people. I kind of step in and use allow the intuition to guide a lot of the sessions that I hold. So it's really taken um an imperative, a very significant part of my life. But like I said, I'm completely normal. There's nothing wrong with me.

SPEAKER_00 5:19

Absolutely not. But you never fought it though.

SPEAKER_03 5:23

I shut it down when I was really little, but that's because you know, when you look out your window and you see a bunch of dead people standing outside in your yard, it gets a little scary. But I I so the mediumship I would say I shut down, but I've always been like the psychic abilities have always taken the helm.

SPEAKER_02 5:39

So and the very interesting part about being intuitive or psychic, and as Carissa said, anyone, everyone has that ability. It just feels so normal. It doesn't feel like it's any different than how other people process things. And throughout my whole life, I didn't understand that. And I thought everybody processed information, received information the same way I did. And that has caused a little controversy in my life for myself because I didn't ever understand why people weren't as sensitive as I was.

SPEAKER_03 6:13

I absolutely agree with you, Michelle. I think that um it's not a matter of of how we connect with that spiritual end of us. It's a matter, oh, not even how, it's not a matter of like how to. It's a matter of how you actually connect in because everyone has that direct line, that direct access to it, but it's a matter of just figuring out the the key piece of how it's coming through.

SPEAKER_02 6:36

And I think that's so interesting for this podcast also, because we all have different perspectives on this. We all filter our information slightly differently, but it comes together so nicely. It really does complement. And that was something I thought was incredible when we started talking about this podcast. Is we're gonna give everybody the whole jump in because I'm forgetting the word, the whole spectrum of things, the whole broad perspective.

SPEAKER_03 7:11

As we both just stand back and let you struggle.

SPEAKER_00 7:14

I know, but that's not very nice.

SPEAKER_01 7:17

Well, we all have different it's it's yeah, we all bring something different to the table. We all have dip we do things differently, which is really cool. And we can share all of our different experiences with clients and reading sessions and just crossing spirits over, etc. etc.

SPEAKER_03 7:34

Right, I found it. Oh, go ahead. I was gonna say, I just think spectrum is is the perfect word, and and you pulled that out, and it was coming to my brain right as you said it because it really is not necessarily about like it's beautiful because we all do experience things differently, but we still experience things in a way that we can make sense out of. And it looks so different for each individual person, and I think it's kind of cool.

SPEAKER_02 7:56

It really does. And listening to this conversation unfold, I do want to draw attention to the fact that we have the whole United States covered with me on the West Coast, Stacy on the East Coast, and Chrissa filling in that space in the middle. So that's really exciting, and we have all ages covered too, because between us, I think there's a 15-year age span from me being the oldest, Stacy being the youngest, and Chrissa right in the middle. So a lot of people can relate. That's a good point.

SPEAKER_03 8:25

Yeah, that actually is really cool. And and what's what's neat is is triangles, which is essentially what we're we're kind of creating within the US, tend to be very symbolic as well.

SPEAKER_02 8:35

They definitely do. And as Carissa mentioned, we were all brought together by the Sage method. Does anybody want to speak to that and our introduction to each other or how we came to enroll or work with Bo of the Sage method? Yeah, who wants to start?

SPEAKER_03 8:54

I I mean I guess I will.

unknown 8:56

Okay.

SPEAKER_03 8:57

So the Sage Method is a program that helps people open up their intuition. And I had the opportunity, gift, blessing in my life to be able to take the course back in 2016 in person with Bo who created it. And, you know, fast forward to stepping into becoming a Sage practitioner, essentially. I was all three of us actually were gifted, I'm gonna say, again, the opportunity to work with Bo one-on-one to develop and hone our intuitive skills. To I I always say it's basically to ensure that we're not full of baloney when we're doing readings for people, because it was through that, you know, practice and opening up for me that I was able to open my business here in New Hampshire.

SPEAKER_01 9:46

Yeah, I found Sage Method because I went to shamanism and COVID hit and it got shut down, and I joined another connecting with spirit class with a well-known psychic, and my guides then brought me to Sage Method because I said, I know there's something else, you have to bring it to me. And that was where I really started opening up. I mean, I didn't even know I was a medium, I just thought, okay, I have intuitive abilities, I'm psychic, my guides were waking me up in really powerful ways, but it was a really cool experience. And it normalized everything I was going through. Like I would write so many things off, and sometimes I would say, okay, Carissa, well, that's all in your head, or okay, you're being a little crazy, and that's really not good for your self-esteem and your emotional well-being. So it was a personal development course for me, just as much as opening up psychically and through mediumship.

SPEAKER_02 10:48

And for me, while I've always had things happen throughout my life, I never understood it beyond just the surfacing. Well, what does it mean when we talk reincarnation? What does it mean when we talk about past lives? It was just something that was more pop culture. These experiences happened. Okay, I'm recognizing them, but I didn't start opening up until August of 2019. And when I did that, lid blew completely off. And I went to bed one night being one person and woke up the next morning like a flipped switch, being someone completely different. And that was really scary. I didn't have a lot of people to talk to, and I didn't know what everything meant. I had all these ideas floating around me, but it had nowhere to land. And so I found this age method also in 2020 during COVID. And when I was done, I just needed more. I had never considered being a practitioner working with other people, but that was one of the requirements to work with Bo. So I'm like, I can do that. So we all started about the same time, and it was wonderful because we would meet once a month, and that's how we got to know each other. And I remember sitting in that first meeting thinking, what in the hell? What in the heck am I doing here with all these people? I'm looking at Stacy, and she is totally badass and confident. I mean, it just came across a Zoom screen, and then you're looking at Carissa, who is so super funny and very straightforward and open. And she just would say these things that I'm like, oh my gosh, I am in a league that is not for me.

SPEAKER_03 12:37

But somehow, I carissa scared me. Carissa scared me initially. I thought she would just come through the screen and beat me up.

SPEAKER_00 12:46

What are you talking about? I'm a parabeth exactly.

SPEAKER_03 12:52

So you can see through people.

SPEAKER_00 12:55

Oh, well, nah, yes and no, but so do y'all.

SPEAKER_01 12:59

But that's another thing that's too that's lonely, too. That was a great point that feels lonely. But you all both do the same thing. Y'all see right through some stuff. I mean, get out of town.

SPEAKER_03 13:11

Yeah, I was I was honestly, it's looking back, like I was terrified when we initially started, but I was super drawn to you, Michelle, actually, because you were so calming. And like you were just you were quiet, you were unassuming. And I was like, that right there is gonna be like my new bestie. And I I loved Chrissa, obviously, from the jump, but I was terrified of her because I was like, this this lady's gonna beat the crap out of me.

SPEAKER_00 13:37

She's so loud. She's so loud.

SPEAKER_02 13:40

And I was so quiet and scared, scared of what am I doing? What am I opening myself up to? But so excited about it.

SPEAKER_03 13:49

Yeah. It's a journey, isn't it?

SPEAKER_00 13:52

It is completely, it's completely crazy.

SPEAKER_02 13:54

Yeah, it still is. I am still surprised. I had something happen yesterday and I do tell. Do tell. Well, maybe that's for another podcast.

SPEAKER_00 14:05

Oh my god, it's the podcast. It's the podcast. Come on. Spill the tea.

SPEAKER_02 14:14

I had taken some pictures in my office because I do feel activity here, and I'm always hopeful I'm gonna catch something. And when I looked at the pictures, and I know there's lighting, I know there's shadows, but inside the pictures, I took three of them, I could see different images of people. Like one was looking right at me, it was a male, it I could see his face, he was wearing a hat, he had a tie, he looked like he was from the 1930s, and the other one showed several people, and I'm just like, what is this? This is so crazy. And so I was talking to a mentor of mine, and she said or suggested to put a string out when I went to bed or a necklace. So I did in a circle, and it didn't move overnight, but it did move this morning and completely different, not completely different, but just a subtle difference as into how I placed it. And I'm just like, this just blows my mind. This is so cool to wake up and not know where the experience is gonna take you or where the day is gonna take you.

SPEAKER_03 15:19

Oh, I I absolutely it it's amazing whenever things unfold like that. And how cool is it that you actually have this visual image that you can see and you can go, I didn't make it up. See? It's real.

SPEAKER_01 15:31

Oh, and now it makes sense why it happened.

SPEAKER_02 15:34

Yeah. Yeah. And I found it interesting too because you find lessons in those moments because this really cool thing happened, and my mentor had said to me, Well, go put that string down, but it was dark outside, and I was a little bit fearful, which surprised me because I thought I had worked through that fear, but I hadn't. So I'm like, maybe that's what I need to be addressing is I'm still carrying a little bit of fear. I didn't think I was.

SPEAKER_03 16:03

Well, I think, you know, as we learn and grow and develop, though, I think fear is such a natural piece of that that I think that it doesn't matter where you are in the process, sometimes fear will arise with different things because new can be fear, right?

SPEAKER_01 16:18

I had an experience in Salem recently, and mine goes opposite of fear. It's more more of anger. Do you want me to share that one? Sure.

SPEAKER_02 16:27

Yeah, that's why Stacy was afraid of you too. Just because you have anger issues.

SPEAKER_00 16:32

I just came angry. She just like no okay.

SPEAKER_01 16:40

So we went to Salem for the witch tour, and we specifically went around the it was uh one mile, less than one mile, around where everything was happening. And I was just feeling irritated and irritable, and just that's all I could explain. Just I and I felt not in that moment because I'm trying to focus on what the tour guide is saying, but I'm feeling like ganged up on an attack. And as we walk closer to where the jail was, uh that's where a lot of stuff happened too. My head felt like it was on fire, and I literally had to put both hands on my head, blocking the sun. And I live in Texas, I mean the heat is blare, the sun blares right down on you. I felt like it was on fire, and that's when immediately my normal response is you're just feeling this because he's telling the stories, and then my heart rate increases. Why? Because I'm telling myself kind of I'm crazy, it's not, it's all in my head, so I had to stop myself and say, Okay, this is happening, but they can't hurt you. Go go to where you need to do, find some peace. And went and we went to a little tea shop, got peace, and I'm angry. I'm angry because I feel like I'm being picked on. And then when we went further from Salem, you know, that's when I started, you know, further we got, I got calmer and calmer and calmer. But instead of being afraid, I get really angry and like, oh, leave me alone, you know.

SPEAKER_03 18:06

So it's really interesting though that you had that experience um there because I've been there, it's that's like a 45-minute drive from from me to get there. I've been there multiple times, and the only thing that I've ever picked up are things that have been planted there, not things that are historical, like actual, you know, the history of the land, but I am more what people have turned it into, is what I feel when I'm there.

SPEAKER_01 18:31

So I didn't tap in to see what it is because that was just a few days ago. I need some space.

SPEAKER_03 18:36

Sure.

SPEAKER_01 18:37

So I don't know if that was, you know, stuck souls. I don't know if I was tapping into the energy of the history. I don't know. And I will later sit down with it, but right now I'm just like, I need some space from the experience.

SPEAKER_03 18:51

I will be very curious as to what you come up with because, like I said, having been there a few times, like I don't get it's interesting because they talk about a bunch of places that are like really popular there that have all of this activity, and I remember walking by a few of them, and I'm like look over and be like, There's nothing there. Yeah, like there's nothing there.

SPEAKER_01 19:11

That's interesting. Yeah, it was. I wanted to get out of there as soon as possible. But again, we stayed in it was an hour and a half to two hours in the hot spot where everything happened. And it could be, don't know, just picking everything up.

SPEAKER_03 19:30

Oh, yeah. Not not only that, but you have to remember that things go into the land. Like you have these experiences um that happen in history that we might have some recordings on, but you don't know what happened prior even to them or prior to the recordings that we have. You can be picking up like all the way down in Earth. I actually did a land clearing last week, and I had to kind of go in essentially to I had to create like a I'm gonna say like a connection to basically down to the core of the earth to clear all of the land up because there was so much historical, I'm gonna say, junk that took place there that needed to be removed.

SPEAKER_01 20:11

Cool.

SPEAKER_03 20:12

Yeah, we'll see. I'll let y'all know.

SPEAKER_02 20:14

Yeah, we lead fascinating lives, I think. If I do say so myself.

SPEAKER_00 20:19

It's definitely not boring. Let's say it is not boring.

SPEAKER_02 20:23

Man, no, it's not. So I have a question for both of you. Why did you want to do this podcast? Is there one reason, a lot of reasons? What would you like to share with everyone? Yes, you do. I do.

SPEAKER_01 20:39

That's uh I will piggyback on that. I listen to people all day long, so I want to just talk. And I went to a shamanism gathering um in Sedona a month ago, and one of the exercises tapped into my heart, and it was, it said, I need to be heard, I need to be seen. So I'm usually behind the curtain, and it's like my heart said, I need to get in front of the curtain, like I need to kind of be out there, and I'm like, Okay, okay.

SPEAKER_02 21:10

So the Carissa of Oz is going to be coming. Dorothy with the red shoes. And I had talked to Carissa, I think, briefly, and I know that you had mentioned also one of your main focuses on this podcast is to make spirituality more normal. Yes, like allow us to have the call, yeah, allow the conversations to happen and don't look at them as something weird or taboo because there's a huge awakening that's gone on, and people need to know that there is support out there. And we're just so fortunate enough to have found each other and that support.

SPEAKER_01 21:54

I know. I agree with you wholeheartedly and not feel like you're crazy, because that was my story. Line. I'm different. I'm must be crazy. And I especially be an empath like you, Michelle. It's you can take in stuff unknowingly. And even when you do a good boundary, energetic boundary exercise like GCP still comes in. So right.

SPEAKER_02 22:18

And growing up, yeah, everyone thought I was just kind of a moody bitch, but really I was taking on all their crap.

SPEAKER_00 22:26

Yep. That's true.

SPEAKER_02 22:27

And I didn't know it. I was so unaware. But at least I know that about myself now. And I feel a lot less anxious since I've opened up. And I don't want as much drama, but I still like a little bit of good tea every now and then. I'm women. I like some gossip.

SPEAKER_03 22:44

And let's and let's also be real. Like with spirituality, even with practice and stepping into it the way I would say the three of us kind of have, we all still have moments going, I think I might be losing my mind. That's correct. I think I might like what is happening right now. And you know, with with that, when you when I know when I have those thoughts, I typically go, okay, let me process this a little bit. And then usually I'll reach out to, you know, my support system and be like, okay, I need somebody to just hear what I experience, and then I can kind of move forward.

SPEAKER_01 23:21

Exactly. Because we tend to turn on ourselves. And that is in a way what you know, in psychology, the ego's trying to protect ourselves instead of saying, okay, let's step out and realize we have some stuck souls or some yucky energy here, which sounds crazy. So instead we turn it in on ourselves, and that just leads to more suffering.

SPEAKER_02 23:44

So in the beginning of your journeys, and I know Stacy, for you, you might not have an exact answer because you've been comfortable or I don't remember the exact word you said, your whole life with it. But how many times a week do you think you say to yourself, I know this is going to sound weird, but so do you mean the beginning of our journey or now? Well, just either. I just was thinking about that question because I didn't even realize I was doing it until I was at a retreat recently, and they had brought that to my attention. I mean, I knew I always said it, but I didn't realize in that group of people I didn't have to say it. And so now it is on my mind all the time.

SPEAKER_03 24:26

So I think I'm I'm gonna jump in and and answer this in in my like my perspective is I think it all depends on who I'm talking to. And I guess uh my ability to read the room and read the reception that I'm getting allows me to either open up in detail or not. I think it's it's for me, it's it it speaks from like the the having the the abil like the access to uh like telling people that I'm a psychic for as long as I have, and you know, doing readings for people for as long as I have. I don't step into conversations with people that are not going to be able to hear me. And if I do, I I put things in a way that they can understand. So I guess I I I school it a little bit to my audience, you know, because I it it doesn't matter like it at the end of the day, if you think I'm crazy, like that's cool, get down with your bad self.

SPEAKER_01 25:24

Yeah, just what you said about when I went through the sage method and opening up more and just uh learning how to trust it instead of fight it and being stubborn, I cleared out a lot of people from my life, and it's really important because you were around like-minded people, so we don't feel crazy and we feel heard. But listening to you, I mean, I sometimes will say, This is gonna sound weird, and it's for me, it's not really about the other person, it's about me, it's still my cynicism, let's say that.

SPEAKER_03 25:58

Well, and you can still be processing through it, so it still sounds weird to you because you're still trying to understand what happened. You know, like if if I'm sharing a story with like you or Michelle, I'm more apt just to just be like, this just happened. Whereas if I'm sitting and having a conversation with my husband who does not understand the spiritual aspect of what it is that I'm doing, I really do explain things much differently to him.

SPEAKER_02 26:22

Well, do you think we get, I don't want to say the word lazy, but do you think it's just out of habit that we say that? Because it doesn't matter, my audience. That's the point I'm at right now. I always preface everything like this might sound crazy, and then I'm like, no, it doesn't. And I have to tell myself that, but I'm still just introducing myself as a psychic medium to my, I call it my real world, but the people who've known me, my friends, I haven't opened up to them. So this is really pushing my boundaries. And, you know, I've tried to talk to some people about, oh, I read tarot cards, and they're like, oh, that's a fun party trick. And I'm like, but it's not a party trick. So then it shuts me back down. So that's kind of where I am right now. But I'm so thankful again for y'all because you just keep nudging me forward out of my shell, and now I'm kicked out of my nest.

unknown 27:17

Yeah.

SPEAKER_03 27:17

I well, I I'll also throw out there, I think one of the transitions that I've made that's helped me like not worry so much about this might sound crazy or this might sound weird, is I've started just acknowledging experiences and in my head going, well, that's interesting. Um and I just kind of move on with my day. I and I and I laugh because the other day one of the experiences that I've had recently is I I don't typically see things physically with my physical eyes, but I did the other day, and I saw some I saw someone run behind, you know, my my Jeep when I got out of it to go pick something up. And I looked, I saw this deceased person running, and then they were gone. And I watched them with, you know, my physical eyes, and then all of a sudden, you know, not being able to see them again, I just went, huh. That was interesting. And I turned around and went into the shop that I was going into, anyways, because you know, it's just what are you gonna do? You know, right.

SPEAKER_02 28:16

And someone taught me that if you calm yourself in that moment, because the first time I consciously astral traveled or was about to, everything they say is true. Like you hear the noise and it feels like this pooling. And I had been wanting to do that, but in that moment, I got so afraid. And someone said to me, Step into, well, isn't this interesting? Let go of the fear and just look at it from a vantage point of curiosity and openness. So I love that advice.

SPEAKER_01 28:48

Yeah, the first time I because I'll always see things, you know, very quickly, but the first time I actually literally saw someone perfectly, and it was my aunt, and it was from the shoulders up, and I didn't even have a chance to have any feelings because I was in such a trance. It was like, I mean, I it was, you know, say you've been meditating all day long, like that, couldn't move, couldn't think, couldn't feel, I'm just sitting there staring, and then she was gone, and it's it's like boom, I'm back.

SPEAKER_03 29:21

You know, it's interesting that you that you say that because that was my first crossing over experience that I've ever had. Is it was it happened and it was done before I had even consciously become aware of it. So I wasn't able to step into fear. And then afterwards, when I was reflecting on it, it was one of those moments like, wow, that should have scared the crap out of me. Like, holy shit, that just happened, you know, kind of experience. And it sounds like that's what you went through, but you were in a state that you you you can't physically react, you know?

SPEAKER_01 29:50

Right. It's I and I and then I'm because I'm more of I am I am a very left brain, I want facts. It's so interesting. I'd love to know what was happening to the brain at that moment, but again, going back to this may sound weird, it's also when I say that too, it's like I need to gather some facts, you know, for my own brain. And I like facts. This is all wooy, and I love being able to move it into a language where everybody can understand it because that helps me.

SPEAKER_02 30:20

Yes, I'm type A person, so I want all the information I can gather, and I want it now. And the universe would have guessed that about you.

SPEAKER_00 30:31

Really? I wouldn't either, I would not. She is a she is a called a quiet secret typing.

SPEAKER_03 30:39

I I say that with a little bit of sarcasm because you literally planned this entire podcast, and we had like step-by-step things. So you are obviously really good at planning. And I say that with so much love because both Paris and I are like, I don't know, just tell us what to do.

SPEAKER_02 30:57

I know, just tell me when to show up and at least I didn't have to tell you what to wear. Am I supposed to wear clothes? Are you naked now? Definitely not naked. Yeah, yeah. No, it's just how I organize my life. And yeah, facts, that's what I want, and I want it in my time, and that is not how the universe works. And that has been a very hard lesson that I walk through every single day still.

SPEAKER_03 31:29

That is not how the universe works, is like the best statement that I think you've made is you know, we want things the best statement ever. Yes, because it's so true. I mean, we want things the way we want them, when we want them, how we want them, and the universe is like hold my beer.

SPEAKER_00 31:48

Screw you. Let me shake it up a little bit for you.

SPEAKER_01 31:52

Yeah. And one cool thing about all of us that I like about all of us is that we want to grow and evolve. We don't want to stay in the same thing and have the same experience. We do secretly love everything new because in the unknown, because why? We get to evolve.

SPEAKER_03 32:10

Speak for yourself, lady. I want to stay in my corner. You do not.

SPEAKER_00 32:15

You do not. Jeez. You would be bored. You'd die. I think we'd all die. I think we would literally die.

SPEAKER_02 32:24

Yeah. I would just like to catch up. Like I take two steps forward on my journey and think I'm starting to figure it out. And then they're like, oh no, take three steps back. That's not how it goes. You you miss the connection there. And so that's why I call myself a little bit clueless with all of this, because I don't always see the patterns in my own development, although I can put them together for other people. Like I see the dots start to line up, but not in my own journey.

SPEAKER_03 32:54

Well, you know, you say that, and I think it's such a perfect statement because it's so true. I was having a conversation with my husband the other day because one of the things that has uh like started to happen to me is when I step in to do clearings, oftentimes I pick up really crap habits from the people that I'm clearing. And I mean, it can be anything from eating a ton of junk food to uh smoking cigarettes, for example. And I'll pick up these habits without realizing that I'm feeding into or like experiencing things that the people that I'm clearing from spaces did while they were wait.

SPEAKER_01 33:32

So you're picking it up from stuck spirits, not from living people, right? Both energy. Oh, so then that is an empath. That is an empath.

SPEAKER_02 33:42

Yeah, she'll pick up, she's done readings for me or Reiki sessions with me, and she'll just start cleaning the house or get really focused on something. She's like, You've been cleaning house, so you've been really focused today. I'm like, Yeah, she goes, Yeah, I know.

SPEAKER_03 33:57

So I know the cleaning house part is great. It's the bad habits that are that's it's become a new a new thing. And and my husband and I were having a conversation about it one day last week because he's like, Stacey, you have to stop. And I'm like, so here's the issue. I agree with you wholeheartedly. But I don't realize I'm doing it and why I'm doing it until after the clearing is over. Because it it like it's almost like an energetic awareness of what I'm doing, and it allows me to step into a space energetically and be so like immersed that I'm able to clear it out. And then when it's done, it's like, okay, well, I don't need to do that anymore.

SPEAKER_01 34:38

You know, I and then what help what has helped you get rid like it sounds like you then get in their pattern, right? But then how do you release it? What have you done to release it?

SPEAKER_03 34:49

So this is uh also, I guess uh this is also a new little thing that I've learned is after I do a clearing, it I have a like a physical um disconnect in my shoulder, like something snaps and I know it's done, and then I can walk away and I no longer have it. It's really strange.

SPEAKER_02 35:05

Yeah, that is really cool.

SPEAKER_03 35:07

It started when I was doing a land clearing and I I had to put my hand on the soil, like I could feel it all the way up my arm, and then I did another clearing a couple weeks later, and it I could feel like my shoulder. I don't want to say it's snapped, but like I could feel it like release the tension in my shoulder all of a sudden, and I knew it was all set. I was like, all right, we're good, we're we're done here.

SPEAKER_01 35:28

Interesting. At least you're able to quickly release it though, once you're consciously aware.

SPEAKER_03 35:33

Yeah, well, so that's that's the crap thing, is is it's that whole becoming aware, you know, afterwards, you know, reflecting, going, well, crap, if I had been able to put that together, then I wouldn't have done, you know, whatever habit I stepped into, you know, without realizing it.

SPEAKER_01 35:50

And then this will help listeners feel normalized too, with what you're talking about. And what came up for me is one time I had a lady in my house, uh, like a Victorian lady, and she was just uptight. And I didn't know it was her, but I started feeling uptight, and I'm loosey-goosey with my daughter, like relax, like whatever, let's talk about it. And I was just like a little authoritarian, and then uh, you know, uptight, and I was like, okay, thank God again for to go through the inter development training, step back and go, or just becoming aware, right? To step back and go, okay, what is happening here? And then when I crossed her to release it, and that we pick up shit that's not our stuff, and we start acting it out, and again, isn't that freaking weird?

SPEAKER_03 36:40

You know, it's it's one of those things, like you step back and you're like, Well, huh. You could say, Well, isn't that weird? But me me, now that I know that, I'm like, Well, that's really interesting.

SPEAKER_02 36:51

You guys are teaching me so much just sitting here having this conversation, and we talk quite a bit. So this podcast is not only going to be for the listeners, but it's going to be for us too. We're gonna find growth out of it, we're gonna find support out of it, and that's really what we want for the listeners, also.

SPEAKER_00 37:11

Absolutely. I agree, yeah, yeah.

SPEAKER_02 37:13

And this has been so much fun, and I, you know, am a little sad the first episode is coming to an end, but I'm super excited about what that means for the future. Like this flowed very well together, and we didn't know if it would, we just took our shot.

SPEAKER_00 37:30

Yeah, that was a great wrap-up, Michelle. Yep, I'll give you a play.

SPEAKER_02 37:35

It's like I've done it before or something. Until next time, Stacey, you got a piece of advice you want to throw out there to everybody listening?

SPEAKER_03 37:42

Until next time, just tell yourself, well, that was interesting.

SPEAKER_00 37:47

Ooh, great ending. Love it. I love it too.

SPEAKER_02 37:51

And as Stacy said, yeah, until next time. Bye, everyone. Bye.